Rain Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) Barmar (now a GIB developer on BBO as well as admin/moderator on BBF) has written this document about GIB alerts and what they mean. It's good stuff. http://www.bridgebase.com/doc/gib_descriptions.php Edited June 8, 2014 by barmar updated link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Could this be saved in a format that is readable by remedial software? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 What's "remedial software"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 IE8, MicroSoft Office 2003, Windows XP. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'm not sure what you're asking for. Are you saying that the page isn't readable in your web browser? I think it's a pretty simple web page, not using any fancy features. I wrote it using a WYSIWYG HTML editor called BlueGriffon. It looks fine to me in Safari, Chrome, and Firefox. I don't have Windows, so I can't tell what it looks like in IE. Can you post a screenshot of the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Are you saying that the page isn't readable in your web browser? Yes, that is what I am saying. It doesn't seem to recognize .xhtml. After I attribute this filetype to IE, it opens and show me what appears to be the source code of your file: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?> <!DOCTYPE html (View Source for full doctype...)> - <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">- <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>GIB Bid Descriptions</title> <style type="text/css">#default-body { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; }</style> </head>... </html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Are you saying that when you click on the link it downloads the file instead of displaying the web page, and then can't find an application to display it? Or are you doing something different to run into this problem? XHTML is cleaned-up, more strict version of HTML, it has been around for over a decade, so I'm surprised that any recent browser would have difficulty with it. If you're downloading the file manually, maybe you just need to rename it to .html or .htm to get IE to load it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Originally, when I clicked on the link, it didn't know what application to use to open the file, so I selected IE... Then, when it uses IE to open the file, I get the source code as above. At your suggestion, I renamed the file *.html and was able to open it. Will everyone with old software have to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I just found this in Wikipedia:Most web browsers have mature support[18] for all of the possible XHTML media types.[19] The notable exception is Internet Explorer versions 8 and earlier by Microsoft; rather than rendering application/xhtml+xml content, a dialog box invites the user to save the content to disk instead. I'll ask the web site people to rename it to .html, I think that should solve it. I hope it's not actually using any XHTML extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Thank you. At some point, I received a message saying that there was a newer version of IE that I might want to download... When I tried, I was told that in order to use it I'd have to first upgrade to a newer operating system... I'm not up for that just yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Changed to .html: http://doc.bridgebase.com/lobbynews/gib_descriptions.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myprac Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Great info! You're the best, barmar, bar none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 You should probably think about upgrading your OS one of these days. Mainstream support for Windows XP ended in April 2009. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myprac Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I'd like to clarify a small detail. The document says to subtract a short suit point if the short suit has honors. "Honors" here must mean point cards as it wouldn't make sense to do this with tens. I'd like to confirm that it applies to all point cards in short suits, not just unguarded face cards. I understand the rationale for treating a singleton ace as being worth less than six points but want to be sure that's what you intend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 You're right, it's just AKQJ that count against short suit points. This will be clarified in the next update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Are you saying that when you click on the link it downloads the file instead of displaying the web page, and then can't find an application to display it? Or are you doing something different to run into this problem? XHTML is cleaned-up, more strict version of HTML, it has been around for over a decade, so I'm surprised that any recent browser would have difficulty with it. Sounds like a misconfiguration of the web server, actually. Note that http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/ states If the accept header contains "*/*" (a convention some user agents use to indicate that they will accept anything), deliver the document using text/html. However, if I send the following request to the BB webserver GET /lobbynews/gib_descriptions.xhtml HTTP/1.1 Host: doc.bridgebase.com Accept: */* the response header contains Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Read further, it also says:When an XHTML document does NOT adhere to the guidelines, it should only be delivered as media type application/xhtml+xml. The guidelines it refers to are in Appendix A. I don't know offhand if the authoring tool I was using (BlueGriffon) follows those restrictions when creating XHTML. And it's not clear how the server is supposed to know, unless it scans the file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 OK, well, I'm not that interested in the subject. ;) But I'm pretty sure it would display fine in older browsers if you just configured the server to always present .xhtml files as text/html. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_t_red Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 There's no description of "forcing" in this document. GIB misuses that term quite often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 There's no description of "forcing" in this document. GIB misuses that term quite often.It sets a flag that can be checked by other bidding rules. Unfortunately, there are almost no rules that actually check it. So for the most part it doesn't mean anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Laurvick Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Is there any way to get absolutely incorrect explanations changed or are we stuck with continually guessing? On a hand tonight the explanation was that the robot's raise of my suit showed at least two card support. Dummy came down with a void. In my suit. I don't know what the bid really meant, a correct explanation would have been helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Is there any way to get absolutely incorrect explanations changed or are we stuck with continually guessing? On a hand tonight the explanation was that the robot's raise of my suit showed at least two card support. Dummy came down with a void. In my suit. I don't know what the bid really meant, a correct explanation would have been helpful.Sometimes the robot will deviate from the system based on simulations, just like players do in real life when they can't find a perfect systemic bid. And as in real life, the explanation is based on the agreement, not what the player actually holds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdwcheney Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Understanding GIB bidding - Robots cannot not count = 6 card suit ( can be anywhere from 4 to 6 cards) Rebid of a suit = 5 card suit (2,3,4,5,10) robot can bid it 3 times High Card Point count = singleton King = 5 pts; Ace, King, x, x = 7 pts. same with Queen or Jack! (no sense of suit quality) Notrump bid by person, shows at least 3 card support for all suits. So when the bidding goes 1 club, pass, 1 spade, pass do not bid 1nt with 12 to 17 points if you have a singleton spade. Robot will go to 4 spades with a poor suit if you bid a makeable 3nt. Competitive bidding, do not take one more bid, if you do Robot will always raise it one more level so that you go down more.Always remember when playing Robot Tournaments that you are playing against 3 robots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooleyesee Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I think the Robot GIB system have some problem, for ex. 2D pass 3D then i bid 4D, my 4D mean double high suit, but robot bid 6N, why robot didn't bid 4H, or 4S, actully 4S, 4H all can make, but 6N down many! so I think should change robot bid style! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I will give the link and then, in case it depends on operatng system, describe what came up on my computer (Windows 10, Google Chrome) http://www.bridgebas...DT%7Cmc%7C11%7C The issues is the bot's 3S call. The given explanation is: 4++C; +4++S;+10++HCP;+10-+total+points Has the Bot been drinking? I don't mind that he/she/it has only 3 clubs, not 4, let alone 4++, and I can assume perhaps +4++S means either four really good spades or 5+, although T984 hardly qualifies, but what on earth is +10-+ total + points? Maybe I should get us to 5C, it does make, but it's a bit lucky. We have 11 tricks in clubs, they have 9 in hearts, LOTT predicts 9+10=19<20 total tricks. Of course if N has 4++ clubs then LOTT says 20, maybe even 20++, so who am I to argue with the Bot? :) As always, I enjoy playing with my new BFFs the bots. But there are times that we seem to have a failure to communicate. +150 was worth 5.38 imps btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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