Zelandakh Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Pass for now. Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.Bid now. Reasoning: Unless you speculate, you can't accumulate. You gotta give 110% in this game. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. A man for all seasons has a cliche for all reasons :DThere's more than one way to skin a cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I would bid 5♥: Bridge is a bidder's game. If it's raining in September, Christmas will be in December. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Do you have any cliches to back up your original thoughts?to back up what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Do you have any cliches to back up your original thoughts?to back up what? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Originality is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Does this have a solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 xxxAKxxxxAJxx this is a nice simple 1c opener thathappens to have heart support and is wortha nice simple 2h bid if p bids 1h. xAKxxxxAJTxxx is almost 4 tricks better than the boringminimum hand and deserves a ton more respectthan a whimpering pass even at the 5 level. I guess xAKxxxxAKJxxx is a 6♥ bid? Don't pet burning dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Originality is dead.That's a new one to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 That's a new one to me C'mon, Oscar Wilde killed it a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 C'mon, Oscar Wilde killed it a long time ago.sorry, I should have added a smiley, but hoped that it wasn't necessary. Literalism is killing efforts at humour ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 This is an interesting position to play forcing p in.Me and p has discussed playing forcing pass over favarouble sacrifices from opp when we have shown some values.This fits the description.Sure opps can use this convention to their advantage with knowledge of it; still i think it makes sense and do make the cases of the working preempt considerably fewer. Yes, we play forcing pass over pre-empts when we have both shown some values.This auction doesn't count, however... we open all balanced 11s, and partner may respond on nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 :P Pass (in tempo) for me. Suppose pard has the wrong 8 HCP hand? I might get another chance to bid 5 hearts. "Down one is good bridge" .. duhmastah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Here's the problem with 5♥: Partner might bid six! I mean there are several more problems with it. I really don't see a reason not to make a normal??? pass. What's so good about my hand? People are nuts. Just to throw another overused saying out there... partner still has a bid! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Pass is obvious. When fixed, stay fixed. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Easy pass and bid after double. Indeed swap my pointed suits and I'd be a bit more worried but not much.At the moment partner has shown us no values. Saying that we pass to sit partner's double is really absurd,we expect partner to show us the values we need to venture to 5lvl. I don't know, maybe your opps are really fixed with their pre-empts after their partner has passed, but I wouldn'tbe a bit surprised if RHO held something like AKxx - AQxxxxx Kxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I would bid 5♥: Bridge is a bidder's game. If it's raining in September, Christmas will be in December. Pass is obvious. When fixed, stay fixed. A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I don't know, maybe your opps are really fixed with their pre-empts after their partner has passed, but I wouldn'tbe a bit surprised if RHO held something like AKxx - AQxxxxx Kxx Not bad although your example has 14 cards. RHO held: ♠ K863♥ T♦ AKQ5432♣ 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I would bid 5♥: Bridge is a bidder's game. If it's raining in September, Christmas will be in December.Pass is obvious. When fixed, stay fixed.A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...What can I say? Sometimes preempts work... ;) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I guess xAKxxxxAKJxxx is a 6♥ bid? Don't pet burning dogs. I would bid 5h also with this hand (and be a bit happier about it) but the main difference is ifp makes a move toward a grand I would cooperate with this hand with the original hand I would tryand sign off:))) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Here's the problem with 5♥: Partner might bid six! I mean there are several more problems with it. I really don't see a reason not to make a normal??? pass. What's so good about my hand? People are nuts. Just to throw another overused saying out there... partner still has a bid! I agree and i wrote in my earlier post that there are a lot of hands we will make pd too excited where we can make 5♥ As it is, I bid 5♥. Could this be a disaster? ummm....yes. But what if I pass and partner doubles...surely a high probability scenario. What do I do then, and why? You then bid 5♥. This doesnt show 4333 hand, neither 4432 nor 5431 since u pass most of those even with a fit. Is what i suggest work all the time ? No. But after all we are trying to find a logical bid over an extremely heavy preempt at 5 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I like 5H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 What happened? Curiosity killed the cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 What a great hand for 'double says I'd be happy to bid 5♥' while 'pass says I'd really like to defend'. But, of course, this requires that this be a fp situation. I know some players believe that this vulnerability makes this a fp situation. I can see why, but such an agreement requires a higher assumption of risk than I am comfortable with assuming. I like that. Basically the double says 4♥ makes. I doubled because we are being stolen blind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 What happened? Curiosity killed the cat. I have lost the hand record sorry so I don't have the other hands (east hand was posted above). 5♦ was passed out. North hand only four hearts but 5♥ was cold. North South misdefended 5♦ - ♥A won then singleton spade switch and north imagined that the heart rather than the spade was singleton and tried to give south a heart ruff. Eleven tricks. It was Matchpoints and 5♦ making wasn't much worse than 5♦ down a trick or two undoubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 It's better to be wrong for the right reasons than right for the wrong reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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