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I think this is a 5 heart bid. Given that lho passsed over 1C its just hard to place him with a decent hand, and where are all the spades? South rates to have 8 diamonds, so its hard to imagine that neither north nor partner has 5 spades. If partner has 5 spades he has longer hearts and its clear to bid. If lho has 5 spades there just that many cards left for partner not to have 5 hearts, and will have 6 often. Also, to have 5 spades and not overcall a club indicates a pretty mince hand so partner should have decent values. Its all ver well to say wait for partner to double but if he has:

Axx QJxxxx xxx x or similar he wont bid, and just normal 4-5-1-3 10 counts could be basically cold for slam.

 

I mean, im pretty light for 5H, but partner can really be struggling with say a 2-6-2-3 shape in the pass out seat, with poor hearts is he really backing in with 5H. Etc

 

I think you should bid.

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This is an interesting position to play forcing p in.

Me and p has discussed playing forcing pass over favarouble sacrifices from opp when we have shown some values.

This fits the description.

Sure opps can use this convention to their advantage with knowledge of it; still i think it makes sense and do make the cases of the working preempt considerably fewer.

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The fact is that preempts sometimes work.

Yes, they do.

Can we stop saying "preempts work" whenever we aren't sure of our answer? Or even when we are sure?

I can.

Why's that?

Because we all know they sometimes work, some of us would prefer new material, and it has become analogous to a string of , or "your style should agree with partner's"

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5 AK86 JT AJT964 Unfavourable

1 (Pass) 1 (5)

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5 = 10, Pass = 9, 6 = 7, Double = 5. Pre-empts work :) Wash my mouth out with carbolic :( Seemingly, partner has about 6 but his are longer than his , so 5 is a reasonable gamble. Partner may realise that you're under pressure and bidding his cards for him. Oh dear :( More clichés :(
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What a great hand for 'double says I'd be happy to bid 5' while 'pass says I'd really like to defend'. But, of course, this requires that this be a fp situation. I know some players believe that this vulnerability makes this a fp situation. I can see why, but such an agreement requires a higher assumption of risk than I am comfortable with assuming.

 

As it is, I bid 5. Could this be a disaster? ummm....yes. But what if I pass and partner doubles...surely a high probability scenario. What do I do then, and why?

 

I hate this hand and would like to make a trite comment about preempts, but apparently some find that redundant/banal.

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I would pass and i would pass in tempo. So that i wont put pd into UI position. To me this hand is not worth a 5 bid.

 

Not only because i dont have the hand to bid 5, but also in some of the hands that we make 5, pd may get too excited. And if he doesnt get too excited this hand, it will be another issue on another hand when we really have a 5 bid. After all we are bidding 5 over a 1 response and opponents jumped to 5 so i am forced is not good enough excuse imo. I am not happy with pass either but not as much as rolling the dice. We dont even know if pd has 5 cards and comitting to a 5 level game on 4-4 fit, doubleton in opponent suit, vulnerable, and the side suit that we rely on is not Mike Tyson either. Of course 5 can be the winning bid, and i have a feeling that it is, since i think the obvious bid is pass and we dont see too many topics that reflects the justice of obvious bids in forums.

 

And preempts sometimes work indeed, eventhough everyone else says they know it, as long as they dont act like they know it, someone will always say it.

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xxx

AKxx

xx

AJxx

 

this is a nice simple 1c opener that

happens to have heart support and is worth

a nice simple 2h bid if p bids 1h.

 

x

AKxx

xx

AJTxxx

 

is almost 4 tricks better than the boring

minimum hand and deserves a ton more respect

than a whimpering pass even at the 5 level.

 

Almost any hand p might have (missing the trump

AK) that looks slammish probably is and p will

rarely be disappointed with this dummy if they

decide to raise our 5h bid to 6h.

 

Will this always work?? NOOOOOO but I like

the odds in favor of aggression here.

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Pass for now.

 

Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

 

Do you have any cliches to back up your original thoughts?

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Pass for now.

 

Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Bid now.

 

Reasoning: Unless you speculate, you can't accumulate. You gotta give 110% in this game. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

 

A man for all seasons has a cliche for all reasons :D

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