Cascade Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 ♠ 5♥ AK86♦ JT♣ AJT964 Unfavourable 1♣ (Pass) 1♥ (5♦)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Pass, no? I know too little about pard's hand to act and my hand isn't independant enough to start shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I'd pass, but I wouldn't be happy about it. The fact is that preempts sometimes work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 The 5 level belongs to nige1.......Isnt it obvious - if I pass we miss a slam,and if I bid partner will be KQJx,xxxx,xxx,xx - I always get these situations wrong....http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmilne Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Pass. I would bid with my pointed suits the other way. Can we stop saying "preempts work" whenever we aren't sure of our answer? Or even when we are sure? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Can we stop saying "preempts work" whenever we aren't sure of our answer? Or even when we are sure?Why's that? (Serious question, not sarcasm.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Your hand had potential for the "convention with no name" i.e. a 4♣ call before the interference (no you don't teally have to be super strong to bid it; if necessary do a simul to convince yourself) since my values are in my suits I would try 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I think this is a 5 heart bid. Given that lho passsed over 1C its just hard to place him with a decent hand, and where are all the spades? South rates to have 8 diamonds, so its hard to imagine that neither north nor partner has 5 spades. If partner has 5 spades he has longer hearts and its clear to bid. If lho has 5 spades there just that many cards left for partner not to have 5 hearts, and will have 6 often. Also, to have 5 spades and not overcall a club indicates a pretty mince hand so partner should have decent values. Its all ver well to say wait for partner to double but if he has:Axx QJxxxx xxx x or similar he wont bid, and just normal 4-5-1-3 10 counts could be basically cold for slam. I mean, im pretty light for 5H, but partner can really be struggling with say a 2-6-2-3 shape in the pass out seat, with poor hearts is he really backing in with 5H. Etc I think you should bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
affe82 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 This is an interesting position to play forcing p in.Me and p has discussed playing forcing pass over favarouble sacrifices from opp when we have shown some values.This fits the description.Sure opps can use this convention to their advantage with knowledge of it; still i think it makes sense and do make the cases of the working preempt considerably fewer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 The fact is that preempts sometimes work.Yes, they do.Can we stop saying "preempts work" whenever we aren't sure of our answer? Or even when we are sure?I can.Why's that?Because we all know they sometimes work, some of us would prefer new material, and it has become analogous to a string of ♥♥, or "your style should agree with partner's" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Because we all know they sometimes work, [and] some of us would prefer new material . . . .Fair enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 ♠ 5 ♥ AK86 ♦ JT ♣ AJT964 Unfavourable1♣ (Pass) 1♥ (5♦)? 5♥ = 10, Pass = 9, 6♥ = 7, Double = 5. Pre-empts work :) Wash my mouth out with carbolic :( Seemingly, partner has about 6 ♠ but his ♥ are longer than his ♠, so 5♥ is a reasonable gamble. Partner may realise that you're under pressure and bidding his cards for him. Oh dear :( More clichés :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 What a great hand for 'double says I'd be happy to bid 5♥' while 'pass says I'd really like to defend'. But, of course, this requires that this be a fp situation. I know some players believe that this vulnerability makes this a fp situation. I can see why, but such an agreement requires a higher assumption of risk than I am comfortable with assuming. As it is, I bid 5♥. Could this be a disaster? ummm....yes. But what if I pass and partner doubles...surely a high probability scenario. What do I do then, and why? I hate this hand and would like to make a trite comment about preempts, but apparently some find that redundant/banal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmilne Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Why's that? (Serious question, not sarcasm.) Yeah, it basically carries no information value any more and has become a truism that is sometimes used to avoid looking deeper into a problem. I would be happy to bid 5♥ over P-P-X. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I would pass and i would pass in tempo. So that i wont put pd into UI position. To me this hand is not worth a 5♥ bid. Not only because i dont have the hand to bid 5♥, but also in some of the hands that we make 5♥, pd may get too excited. And if he doesnt get too excited this hand, it will be another issue on another hand when we really have a 5♥ bid. After all we are bidding 5♥ over a 1♥ response and opponents jumped to 5♣ so i am forced is not good enough excuse imo. I am not happy with pass either but not as much as rolling the dice. We dont even know if pd has 5 cards ♥ and comitting to a 5 level game on 4-4 fit, doubleton in opponent suit, vulnerable, and the side suit that we rely on is not Mike Tyson either. Of course 5♥ can be the winning bid, and i have a feeling that it is, since i think the obvious bid is pass and we dont see too many topics that reflects the justice of obvious bids in forums. And preempts sometimes work indeed, eventhough everyone else says they know it, as long as they dont act like they know it, someone will always say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 But what if I pass and partner doubles...surely a high probability scenario. What do I do then, and why? You bid 5♥, because you have four-card support and partner thinks you can make something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Pass for now. Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 But what if I pass and partner doubles...surely a high probability scenario. What do I do then, and why? You pass the dbl because that's why you passed the 1st place :) Now, if pard so happens to bid 5H by himself, then I think you have an easy raise to 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Around here we say "That which does not kill you makes you FATTER." :) :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Pass, 5H if partner doubles. What the farmer doesn't know, the farmer doesn't eat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'd prefer diamonds and spades to be reversed in order to bid on, but I'm not passing with AKxx (more than half my opening) in partner's suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 xxxAKxxxxAJxx this is a nice simple 1c opener thathappens to have heart support and is wortha nice simple 2h bid if p bids 1h. xAKxxxxAJTxxx is almost 4 tricks better than the boringminimum hand and deserves a ton more respectthan a whimpering pass even at the 5 level. Almost any hand p might have (missing the trumpAK) that looks slammish probably is and p willrarely be disappointed with this dummy if theydecide to raise our 5h bid to 6h. Will this always work?? NOOOOOO but I like the odds in favor of aggression here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Pass for now. Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Do you have any cliches to back up your original thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Pass for now. Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.Bid now. Reasoning: Unless you speculate, you can't accumulate. You gotta give 110% in this game. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. A man for all seasons has a cliche for all reasons :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Minimum albeit good shape. Partner knows if he has 6 or 12+.He knows to bid mostly when it is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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