What does this bid mean in different versions of Gazzilli?

[Jinksy]

1H 1N

2C 2D

3H 4D

 

2C is Gazz, immediately asking about strength

2D is showing a upper range for the 1N bid - not sure if this is GF in regular Gazz? In our Fantunes system it's GF over anything except a 2H rebid.

3H shows a GF hand with a decent 6+Hs

 

So what is 4D? Responder hasn't had a chance to bid a suit yet, but doing so for the first time at the 4 level seems pretty risky - but otherwise how can he find out if his broken honour holdings are supported by p?

 

If it is natural, how does opener a) keep the auction alive setting Ds as trumps, and b) keep the auction alive setting Hs as trumps?

 

Does it make any difference to the 4D meaning if 2D was a GF?

Ditto if you're playing 1H as unlimited?

 

The actual hands:

 

653 - KJ9854 K65

and

AQ AKT87642 A A3

 

In our system 1 level bids are unlimited, 14+, and 1N is 0-8, so 2D can't be GF - it shows about 5-8. Perhaps responder should upgrade to a GF (9+), but I don't much like it with such a moth-eaten minor and a void in P's suit. Playing intermediate jump shifts would help a lot, and I have a fair bit of time for them in this system, since Bergen raises seem less valuable opposite a strong hand.

[Free]

Not sure how they play this sequence in standard. I would think it's a cuebid with ♥ fit, but not sure.

 

Personally I prefer to play 1M-1NT-2♣-2♦-3M as setting trumps. This means it's a very good suit or a very long suit. We overload 2OM (standard this just shows 3 card OM) with various holdings in both Majors (5-3, 5-4, 6M, 6-3,...). This allows us to stay low when we have a 'normal' 6 card M, after which responder can still bid a suit of his own.

After 1M-1NT-2♣-2♦-2OM we have a relay (step 1) to ask about opener's holding, or we can describe our own hand if we're not interested. In your example, opener would set trumps with 3♥ immediately, and 4♦ would mean a cuebid. If opener had a weaker ♥ holding, the auction might go 1♥-1NT-2♣-2♦-2♠!-3♦ (3♦ = natural without interest in the Majors).

[gwnn]

We played

 

1H-1N

2♣-

 

2♦ = 8/9+, GF unless 2♥ rebid

2♥ = 5-7, 2 hearts

2♠ = sorry, I don't remember! (edit: I checked our old system file and it's just not in the system)

2N = 5-7, both minors, 0-1 hearts

3♣ = 5-7, 6+ clubs, 0-1 hearts

3♦ = 5-7, 6+ diamonds, 0-1 hearts

3♥ = 10-12, balanced, 3 hearts

 

so for us this would be a 3♦ rebid by responder. But of course in your case 1N is 0-8, so it gets tricky :)

Edited November 14, 2011 by gwnn

[Raff90]

We play

 

1H-1N

2♣ = natural or 11-14 balanced, any 15-17 unbalanced or 18-19 balanced or 11-15 with 5+♥ and 4+♠

We dont use a regular Gazilli like u can see :)

 

2♦ = 8+ HCP, GF unless 2♥ rebid

2♥ = To play

2♠ = 5 ♣ 4♦weak

2N = 4♣ 5♦ weak

3♣ = 5-7, 6+ clubs, 0-1 hearts

3♦ = 5-7, 6+ diamonds, 0-1 hearts

3♥ invitational.

 

With those hands you have poster in our system i would bid:

1♥-1NT

3♦ ( showing GF with ♥ )

 

And now you can just bid 3♥ with fit and max or 4♥ with minimum and any other suit is naturalish