helium Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hi i was woundering how u would play thees suits if opps dint bid or give any information in def. 1. AJ43 K562 need 4 tricks 2. AQxx xxxx need 3 tricks 3. K982 J765 need 3 tricks 4. AJxxx xxx need 4 tricks u have entrys to play for hand to dummy as u like on all hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I will not provide answers.. .but I will say we have the nice "onesuit" code that you can use for setting up problems like this... Using this, the first problem becomes... [hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv], and so forth (others follow)... [hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv] [hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv] [hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 thx dint know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 This one look easy ..............1. K + finese the Q. Do you really have any problem? ...2. A + finese the Q 3. hope for AQ bare or Stiff Q at the left, playing low from south. Regards, Fluffy ......4. small to the J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 hehe i dont but we had a diskussion about it today and since we dissagreed so much i thought i should ask how u guys play it.so please tell me how u play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Well, ok. 1. Finesse jack. No need to cash king first since you can't make 4 tricks on a 4-1 split. 2. Finesse queen. No need to cash ace for the same reasons as above.3. Run jack, hoping to pin the singleton 10 on the right. Alternatively, cash king on top, hoping to bring down singleton queen on the left and later run the 9.4. Finesse jack first round. If West splits honors, take ace and lead towards jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 hand 1 take K first, then finese jack hand 2 Play A then small to queen and hope for 3/3 split hand 3 low to finese the 9 unless LHO goes higher than 9 hand 4 small to jack if LHO drops a Honour cover with ace and hope RHO had singleton honour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I am extremely curiousHelium, you say you were disagreeing about how to play these. I thought (misguidely I think) that suit combinations (with no info gained through the auction) were played by the percentages and there could be no arguement, the statistics were set in stone and that there is a best way to plan the play from the first card (I realise that when the opps lay cards down odds etc change and you have to be flexible in your thought pattern) I just wanted your thoughts on my mind set Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Well, ok. 1. Finesse jack. No need to cash king first since you can't make 4 tricks on a 4-1 split. Care to reconsider? Partner will not be amused if the QUeen of Hearts is stiff and offside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Well, for the most part, these should be in the intermediate thread, I think, they are well known except perhaps for number 3... But ok, here are the answers....[hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv] 1) Play King and low and hook the queen by playing the jack if WEST plays low. While it is true to win 4 tricks, a singleton queen does you no good, there is hardly any reason to cash the king first to avoid two losers. But as far as the requirement of winning four tricks, low to jack, cash king first, no HUGE difference. Bridge 101, beginner problem. However, cash the king first allows you to make 3 tricks when the queen is singleton off-side making it technically the superior play. [hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv]2) I only hope for 3-3 split when the finessee is off, since with a fourteen card suit, I can declarer a fouled board. Textbook is cash ace, come to hand, and lead towards the queen. This makes 3-tricks whenever WEST has Kx, Kxx in the suit. Cash ACE allows you to make 2 tricks when EAST has the stiff KING, so this play is superior even when you need 3 tricks. [hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv]3) Someone suggested low to the jack, that "basically" never works as you lose QUEEN and ACE.... The correct line seems to me to play low spade from hand and play WEST for AQ doubleton or Q singleton.[hv=n=saj43&w=s????&e=s????&s=sk652]399|300|1. How to play if you need four tricks. [/hv]4) Small to the jack (if west plays low).. You need to catch west with KQ or KQx to make four tricks in this suit. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 3. Ah yes, I forgot AQ doubleton. West has AQ doubleton = 3,4%West has Q singleton = 2,8%East has 10 singleton = 2,8% Best is then low from hand, covering West's queen. Finesse the 10 on the way back for a grand total of 6,2% chance ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I am extremely curiousHelium, you say you were disagreeing about how to play these. I thought (misguidely I think) that suit combinations (with no info gained through the auction) were played by the percentages and there could be no arguement, the statistics were set in stone and that there is a best way to plan the play from the first card (I realise that when the opps lay cards down odds etc change and you have to be flexible in your thought pattern) I just wanted your thoughts on my mind set Thanks Hehe well u know whow subburn som bridgeplaers are:) and i dont have the % for every combination so wen we diissagre i just ask more players. ps this is a person that still is sure that its better to play on a 4-4 fit then a 5-4 fit. becouse this is what his fater told him, no matter what anyone says:))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I am extremely curiousHelium, you say you were disagreeing about how to play these. I thought (misguidely I think) that suit combinations (with no info gained through the auction) were played by the percentages and there could be no arguement, the statistics were set in stone and that there is a best way to plan the play from the first card (I realise that when the opps lay cards down odds etc change and you have to be flexible in your thought pattern) I just wanted your thoughts on my mind set Thanks Hehe well u know whow subburn som bridgeplaers are:) and i dont have the % for every combination so wen we diissagre i just ask more players. ps this is a person that still is sure that its better to play on a 4-4 fit then a 5-4 fit. becouse this is what his fater told him, no matter what anyone says:))) There is a lot of truth in what his father said.... But always is way too strong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Well, ok. 1. Finesse jack. No need to cash king first since you can't make 4 tricks on a 4-1 split. Care to reconsider? Partner will not be amused if the QUeen of Hearts is stiff and offside The task was to take 4 tricks so single Q offside doesnt help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 On number 2, If AQxx is in dummy you can play a small card away from dummy towards hand, and then try to finesse the Q on the second round. This gives RHO an opportunity to go wrong with Kx. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 and i dont have the % for every combination so wen we diissagre i just ask more players. Hi perhaps you want to learn something about percentages Suit-break-calculatorMissing-cards-calculatorHow percentages changeHow to calculate percentages All these and many more useful links you can find here. Cheers Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 great links, Al - thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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