An eight-count

[gnasher]

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IMPs

[Mbodell]

I pass.

[JLOGIC]

2S

[MrAce]

I bid 2♠ also. Spots are awesome in my long suits.

[BunnyGo]

I actually needed the full 10 second pause to think about this one. For the first 5 I thought "pass", but then decided I'd be really sad if LHO bid 4♥ and it came back around. The hand is too good to go quietly, so I'll slip in a 2♠ bid now while it's relatively safe.

[JLOGIC]

I think I'm just bitter because today I had J9xxx x Kx KJxxx and it went 2H on my right pass 4H all pass and we were cold for 4S lol.

 

edit: I guess that would be "yesterday." argh.

[whereagles]

yucky 2S.. but I think I have to bid it. If pard has a 12-13 count with 3 hearts he'll probably pass and our partscore/game might be missed.

[Fluffy]

pass, but will reopen 4♥ with 4♠.

[dake50]

Do I have a S-C(S-D) jump overcall(Roman-like)?

Short of 15 hcp?

I'd prefer that, but 2S without options.

[gwnn]

With this eight-count I will contract for eight tricks (in spades).

[kenrexford]

2♠ seems obvious. I can't believe this is even an issue, and I'm considered conservative with non-jump overcalls.

[andy_h]

2S, my suits are not bad at all.

[han]

I think I'm just bitter because today I had J9xxx x Kx KJxxx and it went 2H on my right pass 4H all pass and we were cold for 4S lol.

 

edit: I guess that would be "yesterday." argh.

 

Sounds familiar. Yesterday I had K109xx Kx xx Axxx all red, RHO opened 2D multi on my right, I passed, LHO bid 3H pass/correct, all pass, and we were cold for 4S as well.

[Lurpoa]

I pass.

 

 

 

 

Yes maybe pass

 

♥♥♥

[gnasher]

I overcalled 2♠. The full auction was:

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3♦ was forcing, but we weren't sure how far. 3♥ was an attempt to get to 3NT, but maybe 4♣ would have been better.

 

Partner had x KQx AKQJxxxx K, so it looked like we'd stumbled into a makeable contract. Then they led a spade and it went down. Getting to slam on these cards isn't necessarily bad, though 6♦ would have had better chances. In 6♦, a heart lead is more likely, and on a spade lead you still make if opener has ♣QJ.

 

Things weren't helped by not knowing what was forcing, but another problem was having such a wide range for 2♠. We're now considering playing (2♥) 3♥ as a weakish two-suiter. I don't remember ever bidding it as a stop-ask, so I don't think there's much loss.

 

Another possibility with this hand-type is to pass, then double 3♥ or 4♥ if they bid that. (Fluffy's suggestion of pass followed by 4♠ seems too committal to me, and anyway I think that shows a weak one-suiter.) A few years ago I posted a poll about a similar sequence, but there wasn't much support for the idea that a delayed double showed a two-suiter.

[whereagles]

You can play a delayed dbl to show either a weak 2-suiter or 3-suiter. If 3-suiter, just pass pard's preference. If 2-suiter, correct pard's suit if relevant.

 

Anyway, the wide range wasn't the problem. Put overcaller on AJTxx xx x AJxxx (a pretty obvious 2S) and it's the same thing. Just congratulate opps for finding the killing lead.

 

In any case I quite disagree with your side's auction (dont take this personally lol). 3H seems like an overbid. Just bid 3S (or maybe 4C if that doesn't show extras). You don't want to encourage pard to a slam and 3H, no matter how you define it, will probably always be undefined as to range. Pard's 6NT also looks reckless... I mean, if you had had AKQxx JTx x xxxx 6NT would gonna look REAL silly on a club lead while 6D is a lay-down.

 

Finally, to play (2H)-3H as a weak 2-suiter might be quite unsound. To be on the safe side you'd need like a 6-5, greatly reducing the odds it will come up. Either that or overcall at the 3 level on weak hands, which is also debateable.

[dave_w]

I overcalled 2♠. The full auction was:

[hv=d=e&v=b&b=10&a=2h2sp3dp3hp6nppp]133|100[/hv]

3♦ was forcing, but we weren't sure how far. 3♥ was an attempt to get to 3NT, but maybe 4♣ would have been better.

 

I think the problem is the 3♥ call. Partner thought you were trying to get to 3NT and he had enough extraa to want to play 6NT. You don't have enough values to want to get to 3NT. I'd have bid 3♠ and left furthre moves to partner (probably 3NT from him which should show interest in contracts beyond 3NT - else he wouldn't have bid 3♦ first). If we have a club fit and partner raises us to 4♠ on Hx, it's not all bad. We might even have play!

[gnasher]

dont take this personally

Why should I take it personally? I posted this hand because I wanted to hear people's opinions.

 

I mean, if you had had AKQxx JTx x xxxx 6NT would gonna look REAL silly on a club lead while 6D is a lay-down.

I hope I won't be accused of nitpicking by saying this, but in 6♦ we seem likely to lose two aces and at least one heart ruff.

[han]

I don't think that it is a good idea to play 3H as a weakish 2-suiter. For one thing, you can't get back to 2S or 3C if they start doubling you. Overcalling 2S with this hand avoids missing 4S and is still relatively safe.

 

The 6NT bidder to a stab. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. I don't think it is worth changing the system for such hands.

 

3H looks right to me.

[dake50]

Take your chances.

Take your lumps.

[gnasher]

Another way to improve this auction is to play partner's continuations over 2♠ as invitational+ transfers. Then we might have bid either

 

2♠-3♣

3♦-4♦

5♦-pass

 

or

 

2♠-3♣

3♦-4♦

4♠-6♦

pass

[whereagles]

I hope I won't be accused of nitpicking by saying this, but in 6♦ we seem likely to lose two aces and at least one heart ruff.

 

Ooops, you're right. I was trying to make the point that 6D is probably superior to 6NT but I got the example wrong. Still, it stumbled into what might be an even more important point: overcaller needs not have 2 aces.