jillybean Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=saq9765hakq8da76c]133|100[/hv]IMP, vulnerable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=saq9765hakq8da76c]133|100[/hv]IMP, vulnerable1♠, reverse the major suit high cards and there's more of a case for 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 If you start 2♣ the auction proceeds.... 2♣:2♦2♠:4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 If you start 2♣ the auction proceeds.... 2♣:2♦2♠:4♦ Wow. Do you have agreements about GSF? With solid agreements about what the 6-level steps show, I'd bid 5N GSF. If you had e.g.,6C = 0 trump honors6D = trump Q6H = A or K, 3 trumps6S = A or K, 4+ trumpsas suggested on http://www.bridgehands.com/G/Grand_Slam_Force.htm then this auction is extremely clean. Without the K, I'll bid 6S. With the K and 4, I'll bid the grand comfortably. With the K and 3, I'll still bid the grand. Even on a trump lead, I should be able to ruff 2 diamonds for 6 spades, 3 diamonds (1+2 ruffs), 3 hearts, and either the ace of clubs or jack of hearts, or stiff DK and trumps 2-2, or the lead of the ace of clubs with CK in dummy, or ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 1♠, reverse the major suit high cards and there's more of a case for 2♣. I agree although 2♣ is really tempting and ok. On your auction I can bid 5nt as a graded grand slam force. Responses are 6♣ - ♠Q or less (then 6♦ would ask for the Q on a differnet hand) Punt 6♠?6♦ - 1 of the top 2 (maybe punt the grand?)6♥ - 1 of the top 2 with extra length (definitely punt the grand) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 1♠ looks normal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think we can improve on these 2 schemes. For example, 6C = K or Q... - 6D = ask... - ... - 6H = Q... - ... - 6S = K and min length... - ... - 6N = K and extra length6D = A... - 6H = ask... - ... - 6S = min length... - ... - 6N = extra length6H = K and Q6S = no AKQ On the given hand, what would everyone play 5C over 4D as? This surely cannot be a normal cue bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 AKQxxxxxAKQAK ? edit: this is too much, but you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I take it everybody is agreed this is a splinter nowadays ? In the stone age, this is what you'd bid with x, xxx, KQJ10xxx, xx. If you're not a regular partnership (particularly if partner is fairly aged), you might consider bidding some number of diamonds on the way just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Almost a century ago people played Culbertson's 4NT-5NT convention but nowadays some version of blackwood is quite popular. Similarly, this auction is nowadays almost unanimously played as a splinter. 5NT looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Our agreements following GSF are simple, bid the grand with 2 of the top 3 honors. And yes, 4♦ is a splinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Our agreements following GSF are simple, bid the grand with 2 of the top 3 honors. And yes, 4♦ is a splinter Get better agreements! :P 6S won't be a disaster. They'd have to bid to grand and make the grand at the other table for it to matter, so I guess you could RKC (puke) and bid the grand if you hear 2, and otherwise bid 6S. You'll miss the grand when P has the SK and not the CA. At MP, I might bid 7 after hearing 1KC, since I think him having the SK is > 50% (and I have chances if we're missing the SK anyway). But I don't have enough info/confidence to bid grand at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I guess you could RKC (puke) and bid the grand if you hear 2, and otherwise bid 6S. You could also bid 7 after you hear 1, this is an almost 75% grand. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 You could also bid 7 after you hear 1, this is an almost 75% grand. :) How are you coming up with that number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=saq9765hakq8da76c]133|100[/hv]IMP, vulnerable I guess lacking any fancy GSF this is how the auction continued.. 2♣:2♦2♠:4♦4♥:5♣5♦:6♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 why 4♥? Ask yourself: was opener trying to elicit some info from responder? Was opener trying to give responder info that might allow responder to make an accurate decision later? Or was opener just cuebidding for the hell of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 How are you coming up with that number? Partner has it or it's onside with whatever trump split that makes it "almost" 75% assuming a splinter showsz 4 trumps I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Partner has it or it's onside with whatever trump split that makes it "almost" 75% assuming a splinter showsz 4 trumps I guess. i wouldnt assume 4 trumps, since more often than not in this auction, opener has long trumps. And of course, we are also missing the J and 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 i wouldnt assume 4 trumps, since more often than not in this auction, opener has long trumps. And of course, we are also missing the J and 10.Correct, don't you splinter with xxx, Jxxxx, x, KQxx having given a negative to 2♣ when partner bids 2♠ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 why 4♥? Ask yourself: was opener trying to elicit some info from responder? Was opener trying to give responder info that might allow responder to make an accurate decision later? Or was opener just cuebidding for the hell of it? With no fancy GSF I don't see many options here, if we don't start a cue bid sequence we simply have to guess the level.4♥ is likely to elicit a first round club control from partner, wouldn't 5♦ be understood as a cue and last try at slam. Partner if you have any thing you haven't shown so far, bid the slam?We have shown spades, hearts and the lack of KC must suggest to partner that we have a void, obviously a club void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Correct, don't you splinter with xxx, Jxxxx, x, KQxx having given a negative to 2♣ when partner bids 2♠ ? I didn't assume that jillybean plays 2D as negative. I prefer to play that the splinter still shows 4-card support. When you have shortness, the fourth trump is still big, even when opener has long trumps. With 3-card support, I make a simple raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 We have shown spades, hearts and the lack of KC must suggest to partner that we have a void, obviously a club void. Is partner going to be able to make an intelligent decision based on this information, though? Opener is the only one that will be able to place the contract, and even that is iffy. The only thing you care about really is the spade king, though, and the only way (without GSF) you have at this point to get at it is via keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I didn't assume that jillybean plays 2D as negative. I prefer to play that the splinter still shows 4-card support. When you have shortness, the fourth trump is still big, even when opener has long trumps. With 3-card support, I make a simple raise. I didn't assume that 2D was negative either, just waiting. If the splinter shows 4 card support, then KC and bidding 7S opposite at least 1 becomes my choice as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Here's the full hand, I was kibitzing a jec match. [hv=pc=n&s=sk42hj6d9ca876432&n=saq9765hakq8da76c&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=2cp2dp2sp4dp4hp5cp5dp6sp7sppp]266|200[/hv] At the other table they stopped in 6♠ after 1♠-3♠(9-11)4N:5♥6♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 At the "other table" the problem was not the 1S opening bid. It was the bull in the China shop 4NT bid afterward. Can there really be someone who doesn't use 3NT/3S (or something else) to check for side shortness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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