jillybean Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=sakqt32hd9874c874&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 2♠ as I can probably take 6 tricks with ♠ as trump. A void, especially in the other major which I hope to preempt doesn't stop me from opening a weak 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 3♠. 4♠ seems like too much, but might 3 just miss the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I can understand those who would do something else. But, I have never been lucky at masterminding. I have six good spades, and my strength is all right there. Not sure why I would want to show 7 (3S), or 7 total tricks and 7 spades (4S). Also 1S and pass don't seem to fit the hand. Combine those things with the choice of forum, and 2S seems automatic. For B/I, I don't think it is a good idea to misrepresent the number of cards held in the pre-empt suit. Later on, perhaps the exceptions should be considered, although I don't think this hand is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 2s seems perfect at this vul and this seat so it must be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Yep, this looks like an auto 2S to me. Sometimes you are allowed to have a maximum, and second seat vulnerable seems like the right time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Yep, this looks like an auto 2S to me. Sometimes you are allowed to have a maximum, and second seat vulnerable seems like the right time. That was my thinking too, whose to blame? [hv=pc=n&s=sj9hakqj95dajt5cq&w=s8754ht643dkq2ct6&n=sakqt32hd9874c874&e=s6h872d63cakj9532&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p2s3c4hppp]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I prefer to play 4c as rkc if pard opens a weak two or three. 4d over a weak 3c opener. so i give a little blame to south and alot more to east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I prefer to play 4c as rkc if pard opens a weak two or three. 4d over a weak 3c opener.We play this too :) edit 4♣ is 5 step key card here for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 2S for me. South is clearly to blame. - Jx support, a stiff, an excellent 6 card suit and an outside A and he passes? You are kidding me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 2S for me. South is clearly to blame. - Jx support, a stiff, an excellent 6 card suit and an outside A and he passes? You are kidding me!Look at the auction again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Look at the auction again.Maybe South didn't pass, but he might as well have :rolleyes: 4H was a knee jerk bid. He looked at his hearts and didn't get any farther than that. But maybe I am wrong; their agreement was 4♥="kickforward" for spades, and it is all North's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 That was my thinking too, whose to blame? South. 4H is...um...bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 South gets the blame, but it isn't much blame in my mind (not sure I like hearts rather than supporting spades, and game rather than sniffing for slam, but I wouldn't want to bid above game as at MP even a 2nd unfavorable hand might not have 5 level safety). I think 4♣ is better than 4♥ regardless of if it is preempt kc or just forcing strong. Neither 6♥ or 6♠ is super fantastic slam dunk though. You need to avoid ruffs and have some potential handling issues, and pick up hearts for no losers only around 2/3 of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) Hmm, my joke about 4H being "kickforward" has failed with one poster already. Of course, 4C should be RKC. BTW, hope I find out about the heart void so I can bid 6H instead of six spades which seems to be awkward on high club and diamond shift. Edited November 5, 2011 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Hmm, my joke about 4H being "kickforward" has failed with one poster already. Of course, 4C should be RKC. Ah, I see my "it" was confusing, I knew 4♥ was a joke. I meant I prefer 4♣ as rkc to 4♥ (natural) and I also prefer 4♣ as strong force to 4♥ (natural). So no matter the meaning of 4♣ I prefer it to bidding 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Good, I'm glad noone thinks I'm too strong for 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 2♠ is normal. South can count 13 potential tricks after 2♠ (sure there is likely to be a loser). 4♥ is very pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 2♠ is normal. South can count 13 potential tricks after 2♠ (sure there is likely to be a loser). 4♥ is very pessimistic.TBF, you're only missing a slam if partner has ♠ AKQ (or less likely given the overcall ♠ KQ and ♣A, with a holding that means any ♦ losers can go west, KQ10xxx, xx, xx, Axx is still dead on a ♦ lead and very poor on the classic book problem club K) which is a small fraction of the time (as he can't have anything else or he opened one). In my world I would open one anyway given what a weak 2 could be even at this vul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I agree with Cyber...You need the ♠AKQ.....for slam, and no way to explicitly show that with 2 keys + ♠Q . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 You need the ♠AKQ.....for slam, and no way to explicitly show that with 2 keys + ♠Q .It would be a pretty good guess, though ---considering the competition and the hand we are looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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