gwnn Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 2M-p-3M-p4M 2M-p-3M-x4M I saw the second auction in USA2 vs Sweden, it certainly wasn't a great advertisement for the sequence (-300 when USA2 still had some work to do to make it -130), but it got me wondering. Should opener be allowed to do something (and, I guess, define the 3M bid at least to some extent) or does the urge to do so just show that he should have opened 3 (or 4!) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I can only think of 1 situation where it will probably result in a good score: NV vs V with a poor 7 card M that was too weak to open 3M. When partner raises to 3M, you'll normally have a 10 card fit, so 4Mx may be a good result against opps' likely game contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Not if partner has blood pressure issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 2M-p-3M-p4M 2M-p-3M-x4M I saw the second auction in USA2 vs Sweden, it certainly wasn't a great advertisement for the sequence (-300 when USA2 still had some work to do to make it -130), but it got me wondering. Should opener be allowed to do something (and, I guess, define the 3M bid at least to some extent) or does the urge to do so just show that he should have opened 3 (or 4!) ? As captain of the ship you should have this sailor keel-hauled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I can only think of 1 situation where it will probably result in a good score: NV vs V with a poor 7 card M that was too weak to open 3M. When partner raises to 3M, you'll normally have a 10 card fit, so 4Mx may be a good result against opps' likely game contract. Gwnn's subtitle may apply to your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I lack any references for this but I am pretty sure that there are expert American pairs, so it's not only the Swedish players, who believe that the auction does exist. If a pair plays a highly disciplined weak 2, I suppose that it shouldn't exist but no one (well hardly anyone) does that these days. It probably is not crazy to define 3M as "This should be right almost no matter what you opened 2 on" and still allow for the possibility that, on some hands, opener going on to 4M could be right. The approach is heretical and we all know what happens to heretics, but sometimes they turn out to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I lack any references for this but I am pretty sure that there are expert American pairs.Shortened your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Aguahombre, are you saying that the Swedish players from the BB quarter finals were non-experts? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 No, I was taking a cheap shot at American pairs, which they don't deserve....in the interest of making a bad joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 No, I was taking a cheap shot at American pairs, which they don't deserve....in the interest of making a bad joke.Humor on the internet is always risky, unfortunately. But we must try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Definitely, I have bid this way many times and seen many other good players bid this way before. The hand in USA 2 vs Sweden was very surprising though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 If you have good shape but a bad suit, the hand can improve a lot when partner raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 If you have good shape but a bad suit, the hand can improve a lot when partner raises. I've most often done this with a decent 6 card suit and a bad 5 one on the side. AT9xxx, x, x, KTxxx works for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 2M-p-3M-p; 4M should be rare unless, on closer inspection, your ♠ AJxxxx ♥ xxx ♦ Kx ♣ xx becomes ♠ AJxxxxxx ♥ xxx ♦ Kx ♣ -2M-p-3M-x; 4M is more common e.g. ♠ KQxxxx ♥ Axxxx ♦ xx ♣ - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Had lunch with the local god of bridge yesterday and he told me about holding Axxx QT9x KT xxx w/r at MPs and he played with another, um, good player. 2♦ - dbl - he bids 3♦, 4♥ on his left. Pard just couldn't resist the save with x x Q7xxxx KJTxx. The LGOB kindly suggested his partner double next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Had lunch with the local god of bridge yesterday and he told me about holding Axxx QT9x KT xxx w/r at MPs and he played with another, um, good player. 2♦ - dbl - he bids 3♦, 4♥ on his left. Pard just couldn't resist the save with x x Q7xxxx KJTxx. The LGOB kindly suggested his partner double next time. I did this to KFay in a national pairs event recently (sorry buddy). We agreed to X from now on to handle this "I want to save, but maybe you want to convert" situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 If it went 2S p 3S p ? and I had QJxxxx ---- KQJx xxx red at imps I would certainly bid 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 On the other hand if RHO doubled I don't think there's any hand I would bid immediately on, I would just pass and possibly bid later (and possibly double). Maybe 6-5. Maybe 2H p 3H X I would bid immediately more often, especially since I can show my 2nd suit and get partner involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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