han Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 KxxxxJ9xx1098x All red, IMPs, RHO deals and passes. p - p - 3H - Dblp - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 KxxxxJ9xx1098x All red, IMPs, RHO deals and passes. p - p - 3H - Dblp - ?? UGHUGH UGH UGH Torn between pass and 4♣If I expected to be on lead, I'd pass. As is, I think that 4♣ is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 3♠. Kind of funny, but it sort of appeazrs like a reverse siotuation I have seen before, where the doubler in a pinch doubled with 4-2 in the majors and then crosses fingers when partner bids the 2-card major. I might have to not ruff the first three hearts, but that might be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 gerber. pass isn't bad though. But does the principle "4 card suits down the line" apply here in case our dear partner bids 4♥? I am momentarily confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Torn between pass and 4♣If I expected to be on lead, I'd pass. As is, I think that 4♣ is better.I just never can be sure when the Opps will accept my lead, but I will pass anyway and try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I am not torn (not happy, but not torn). Takeout doubles were meant to be taken out. 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 gerber. pass isn't bad though. But does the principle "4 card suits down the line" apply here in case our dear partner bids 4♥? I am momentarily confused.Good question. Related question would be: What is the frequency of need for 3NT to play (versus pass)? Maybe 3NT could be used as a scramble (which partner might pass with appropriate strength and stops); the given hand seems as if it would occur quite often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 4♦ followed by 5♣ if pard cues 4♥. The hand isn't THAT bad unless we get stranded in a 4-3 which could happen in either minor. Same problem at the other table(s) too. ps. if we belong in 3nt there is a good chance an enlightened partner already bid it instead of double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Good question. Related question would be: What is the frequency of need for 3NT to play (versus pass)? Maybe 3NT could be used as a scramble (which partner might pass with appropriate strength and stops); the given hand seems as if it would occur quite often.Sounds like a horrible idea (sorry). 3NT is not infrequent and is very useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Sounds like a horrible idea (sorry). 3NT is not infrequent and is very useful.Yeh, and definitely not my first horrible idea. We could be defending 3H doubled (some other time) with inadequate penalty to compensate for the making NT game. 4d down-the-line might be fine if doubler bids 4H, but rates to suck if partner doesn't bid again and has a reasonable double with, say, 4-1-3-5 distribution. 4C rates to suck if partner has a reasonable double with a lot of distributions not involving 4+clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I bid 4♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 4D or 4C should do it. Probably 4D, since you can bid 5C later on if pard gets happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 The more I think about it, the more I like my odd and unpopular 3♠. There are a few factors that encourage me in my choice: 1. Partner has room to bid 3NT.2. I have the ability to redouble in a pinch as SOS3. If partner keeps bidding, our final game contract is lower; I could also bid 4NT after 4♠ if I want to, which sounds like "just joking, pick a minor."4. 3♠ gets doubled less than 4minor, in principle, as it enables an escape to 3NT.5. 4♥ gets bid over 3♠ more than over 4minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 The more I think about it, the more I like my odd and unpopular 3♠. There are a few factors that encourage me in my choice: 1. Partner has room to bid 3NT.2. I have the ability to redouble in a pinch as SOS3. If partner keeps bidding, our final game contract is lower; I could also bid 4NT after 4♠ if I want to, which sounds like "just joking, pick a minor."4. 3♠ gets doubled less than 4minor, in principle, as it enables an escape to 3NT.5. 4♥ gets bid over 3♠ more than over 4minor. The more i read it, the more i think the word "unpopular" is a HUGE understatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 3♠. Kind of funny, but it sort of appeazrs like a reverse siotuation I have seen before, where the doubler in a pinch doubled with 4-2 in the majors and then crosses fingers when partner bids the 2-card major. I might have to not ruff the first three hearts, but that might be OK. 3S?! Now that is the funniest post you have ever made. Even funnier will be Dummy's face as you are struggling alng in your 4-2 fit at some level.4C for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 What color was your daughter's poop when you suggested 3♠? 4♣ for me and its not close at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Kx xxx J9xx 1098x All red, IMPs, RHO deals and passes.p - p - 3H - Dblp - ?? IMO 4♣ = 10, 4♦ = 8, _P = 7, 3N = 4, 3♠ = 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Kx xxx J9xx 1098x. All red, IMPs, RHO deals and passes.p - p - 3H - Dblp - ?? IMO 4♣ = 10, 4♦ = 8, Pass = 7, 3N = 4, 3♠ = 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I'm not a hero in these type of decisions, but I'd bid 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 it's really not a difficult game - you bid 4♣ and most likely go off. i'm sure you've gone off before. partner is more willing to make an off-shape double with short diamonds (as you normally have 5 to bid 4♦), so you shouldn't bid 4♦ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 partner is more willing to make an off-shape double with short diamonds (as you normally have 5 to bid 4♦), so you shouldn't bid 4♦ here.Isn't this circular? You prefer to bid clubs from 4-4 because partner is more willing to make a double with short diamonds because you normally have 5 to bid 4♦ because you prefer to bid clubs from 4-4? I.e. can't I say the same with clubs instead of diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Isn't this circular? You prefer to bid clubs from 4-4 because partner is more willing to make a double with short diamonds because you normally have 5 to bid 4♦ because you prefer to bid clubs from 4-4? I.e. can't I say the same with clubs instead of diamonds?With short clubs partner might bid 4♦ over your 4♣ call; the same cannot be said about clubs over diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 If you bid 3S you play in a 3-2 fit. If you bid 4C you play in a 4-3 fit. If you bid 4D you play in a 5-4 fit. If you pass and play against the same opponent I did, you score +200. Partner had a 3-2-5-3 18-count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 3S?! Now that is the funniest post you have ever made. Even funnier will be Dummy's face as you are struggling alng in your 3-2 fit at some level.4C for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Passing is way too big, the risk/reward is not there at imps. I could see it possibly at MP if you had a good read on the preemptor that he is too aggro in third seat vul. 4C just seems normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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