JmBrPotter Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I like the structure Giorgio Belladonna & Walter Avarelli used in The Roman Club System of Distributional Bidding the English translation of Sistema Fiori Romano, their late fifties description of the Roman Club bidding system. Essentially, they organized the book by opener’s distribution. Within those sections, further subdivision was by responder’s hand distribution and rebidder’s hand distribution. The Roman Club is simple enough so that the structure works pretty well. I’ve applied the same structure to an embarrassingly more complex system that I meant to be quite simple—conceptually, it is simple, but the devil is in the details. The structure works OK there, to. It’s just that I spend more space on notrump bidding than Belladonna & Avarell spent on the whole Roman Club bidding system! This means that a system with artificial, forcing opening bids might have those openings appear in the balanced hands section, the one-suited hands section, the two-suited hands section, and the three-suited hands section. That might make the index entries for “1♣ Opening” or “2♣ Opening” a bit lengthy, but it seems worth it to carry common themes through hands of similar shape but different strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Ugh, Google docs help is terrible and it seems there's no ability to create a link from one document to an anchor in another document. I think I'll just create it in HTML myself and use dropbox-like synchronization method. Also solves the suit symbol color issue, on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ugh, Google docs help is terrible and it seems there's no ability to create a link from one document to an anchor in another document.Couldn't anyone have told me I'm an idiot?A couple of weeks later, I think this thread was a success. We have a collection of documents, a couple large ("we open, they compete") and some smaller ("Jacoby transfers over NT openings"). Sections are generally a heading (a textual description and the auctions pertaining to it -- something like "1NT opening (15-17)" and below four auctions, just varying number of passes before the NT opening) and a table with either 2 or three columns. The column on the right is always "description", and the columns on the left are the bids (the three-column format has bids by both players, and the two-column has bids by only one. So after NT opening we have 2 columns, but after NMF we have opener's rebids and continuations). Also, you can link from a conventional bid to a section in another document that explains it (just create a bookmark, click on it, choose "link" and copy-paste what appears in the browser's URL box), so if you want to see continuations to jacoby 2NT, you just click the bid.All in all, I'm quite happy with the current format. So, thanks everyone for all the great examples and suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Are you going to put them up somewhere on the web public viewable (useful if you ever want to refer to them in an appeal or director ruling). If so, can you drop a link in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I don't mind sharing them, if you're curious about the format. Our system is not something to be overly proud of, most likely. I'll ask partner and when he doesn't mind I'll make it publicly viewable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinst22 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 My partner and I used google docs to create a spread sheet. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0Asd9RNMrA1VPdHlqOEd2d0xnYVRPdHRkdkNmN3NQX3c&output=html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinst22 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ugh, Google docs help is terrible and it seems there's no ability to create a link from one document to an anchor in another document. I think I'll just create it in HTML myself and use dropbox-like synchronization method. Also solves the suit symbol color issue, on the way. Open your doc, and then go to the file tab, then to publish to the web. It will generate a URL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Oh, some other reasons why I stopped with Google Docs: the layout did some strange things, copy paste didn't work properly all the time, and when the file got big (with lots of suit symbols) it just became too slow. I hate it when I have to wait after I scroll or press <Page Down>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Open your doc, and then go to the file tab, then to publish to the web. It will generate a URL.This is the easy bit. The part I couldn't figure out is how to link to the middle of a page. This you do by creating a bookmark and then taking its link.Free, which browser are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Our system notes are quite well-organized. They consist of notes in the margins, cross-outs, and attachment references for all revisions in the past 30 years to the source text used as a base. Would love to see the faces of the T.D. or an appeals committee when we present our case. The good news is that we don't have convention disruptions which impact the opponents negatively (or fess up when we do) , and don't have the need to "share". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Free, which browser are you using?Better question would be: which browser am I not using... ;) For my google doc I tried IE, Firefox and Chrome. For some reason the layout changed dramatically between those browsers. Since my partner prefers IE, we agreed to only edit the file with IE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsjw5 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I use a mind-map, created with Freeplane - a software product which is free from http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_PageThe hierarchical structure lends itself quite well to this problem; you can import text from other apps like Word by cutting/pasting; embed links to other documents including web pages; and best of all, navigate the map by clicking nodes open or closed as you need them. As a crude example I have posted an old (unfinished) map here http://paladin-systems.co.uk/bridge/Conventions-old.html - you can browse the map by clicking the nodes. This one was created with an older product (Freemind). Freeplane has an additional and very handy feature which allows you to add notes to a node, which then pop-up (like a bubble help or tool tip) when you hover the mouse over a node - so my current map has bid sequences as sequences of nodes, and the note for each node gives the meaning/requirements for the bid etc. Freeplane is easy to use and takes about 10-30 minutes to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne_LV Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I am in process of converting our system notes from a Word Doc format to a website using google sites. It is a bloody lot of work, but hopefully it will pay off. I am experimenting with using BBO's hand editor to create hands that test partner's ability to effectively use conventions come come up very rarely. In the process of creating quiz hands for her, I am forced to review those bidding sequences, so we both benefit. I am not sure how long the tinyURL links are active. Anyone know? https://sites.google.com/site/bboprofile/home Check it out for what it is worth, all feedback appreciated Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I am in process of converting our system notes from a Word Doc format to a website using google sites. It is a bloody lot of work, but hopefully it will pay off. I am experimenting with using BBO's hand editor to create hands that test partner's ability to effectively use conventions come come up very rarely. In the process of creating quiz hands for her, I am forced to review those bidding sequences, so we both benefit. I am not sure how long the tinyURL links are active. Anyone know? https://sites.google.com/site/bboprofile/home Check it out for what it is worth, all feedback appreciated Wayne I find the suit symbols aren't working. Not sure if that is on my end (wrong fonts installed) or on your (google docs) end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 The suit symbols work for me. How'd you get color? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne_LV Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I find the suit symbols aren't working. Not sure if that is on my end (wrong fonts installed) or on your (google docs) end. The suit symbols are part of the extended ASCII Character set. Mozilla and other browers don't always properly support these characters. Try running our website under MS Internet Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne_LV Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 The suit symbols work for me. How'd you get color? I do most of the text creation and editing in MS Word and then cut and paste into the Google Site editor. The Google Site editor has some real quirks. The pips are extended ASCII characters ALT-3 = ♥ ALT-4 = ♦ ALT-5 = ♣ ALT-6 = ♠ The pips can then be set to a color attribute same as any other text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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