BunnyGo Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 3rd seat, local club game. You hold: void, AKQT9876, AKJ3, A What do you bid? (my friend got a top when his opponent opened 4♥...it's not a good club....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Did it make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Did it make? LOL! Yes, it did. My friend has since corrected me. The hand was actually: void, AKQT986, AKJ3, AK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Someone will tell us the standard way of asking for the diamond queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Someone will tell us the standard way of asking for the diamond queen.2♣-2♦3♥-something5♠-something6♦ or, if you play 3♥ as artificial 2♣-2♦2♥-something3♥-something5♠-something6♦ Obviously the second sequence will only work if 5♠ is Exclusion for hearts, which depends on the values of "something". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 2♣-2♦3♥-something5♠-something6♦ or, if you play 3♥ as artificial 2♣-2♦2♥-something3♥-something5♠-something6♦ Obviously the second sequence will only work if 5♠ is Exclusion for hearts, which depends on the values of "something".When ♥ are trump and ♠ are out of the picture, 4S! = RKC and 4NT! = Voidwood, excluding ♠ ( Meckwell ) . If 5♠ is used as Exclusion, then Responder will reply 5NT or 6C (showing zero ) and 6D could be construed as a specific K-ask. 2C - 2D3H - something4NT! - something6D! ( 3rd Rnd Ctrl-ask ... since have by-passed the K-ask -- thus, no confusion ) ...... - ??6H = no 3rd Rnd Ctrl in ♦7H = x x doubleton ♦6NT = ♦Q7D = ♦Q JThis also works here even if you don't play Meckwell Exclusion. You don't care if partner has the ♠A or not.4NT ( regular RKC ) - 5C/5D 6D! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 A Canadian expert once had a very similar hand where his rho opened 1♣. He overcalled 1♦ intending to bid 5nt next as a graded grand slam try to ask for the Queen. You could arrange to do that by opening 1♦ here too BUT..... Our Canadian played it right there on the 4-1 fit, down 2 (down 1 on the corrected hand). :lol: Probably safe to open 2 clubs and manage to key card on diamonds here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I would open 1C and not be surprised when the bidding comes back to me at 4S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Someone will tell us the standard way of asking for the diamond queen. I still use very old Aces Scientific methods of Bobby Goldman on these type of hands and i like it 2♣--2♦3♥-- then responder's 3♠=♠A3NT= No ace but king or kings4m=this ace4♥=no ace and no king4♠=same color 2 aces4NT=same rank 2 aces5♣=mixed 2 aces Uusually u get 3NT or 4♥ response, over 4♥ you ask for the 3rd round control in any specific suit if u want to (since pd already denied A or K), responder can show a doubleton only if he has 2 or more trumps as 3rd round control. Over 3 NT u may ask for the king(s) or 3rd round controls of your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Do you really think it's useful to have 3 bids showing 2 aces after opener opens a strong 2 and then jumps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Do you really think it's useful to have 3 bids showing 2 aces after opener opens a strong 2 and then jumps?It really is doubtful that the big hand will be missing three and need that information, but it is possible.....why not? Color, rank, and shape ---just like CRASH. Makes it fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Do you really think it's useful to have 3 bids showing 2 aces after opener opens a strong 2 and then jumps? You can change those 2 aces responses if u want to. It could be useful probably in a hand like AKQJTx KQx KQJT void, with correct aces u can bid grand, or with one non club ace u can bid slam. But i hear ya, u can use 1 bid for 2 aces and then opener can later learn if he wants to which ones. As long as u dont abuse the 2♣ opening and then jump in a suit, u will probably never get these replies anyway. And u dont really need too much space anyway if opening 2♣ and then jumping in suit was not abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Opening 2♣ seems obvious. If I get a negative, I can ask for specific Queens. Otherwise, set ♥ and ask for a 3rd round control ♦ in a Blackwood auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I would just open 6H... finding out about the diamond queen is day-dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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