jdeegan Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 :P Two comments on the actual hand: 1. Imho, E is more than a bit light for his initial 2♠ call - not really disciplined. However, having overbid the first time, he shouldn't cue bid a likely useless ♦ ace (RHO has six+ ♦ and I have five, and pard jump cue bid the ♦ suit looking for a ♠ slam on probably less than 30 HCP combined). 2. I am still not fully understanding Timo's point that E has absolutely denied the ♣ king. I'm in favor of bidding 5♥ followed by 6♠ just in case E does have second round ♣ control. I don't see how it can hurt to let pard know I have been looking for seven the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 2. I am still not fully understanding Timo's point that E has absolutely denied the ♣ king. I'm in favor of bidding 5♥ followed by 6♠ just in case E does have second round ♣ control. I don't see how it can hurt to let pard know I have been looking for seven the whole time. The reason i was against it at the first place was thinking u guys are looking for ♣K for slam. If u are gonna bid slam anyway as Aguaman said it doesnt hurt i guess. I just hate all this fancy torture sequences. At the end the way u guys suggest, the weak hand will have to bid grandslam over 6♠ with ♣K. We can make grandslam vs Qxxx xxx xxx Kxx and we are making pd bid it while we could easily learn these both important cards. Thats what strikes me the most. Maybe i am too simple minded for you guys, but when i start to cue at 5 level , i am not looking for grandslam. Thats why i thought pd would bid slam with ♣K already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 If you bid Keycard, how will you distinguish between these two hands:QJxx Qxx xxxx KxQxxx xxx Kxxx Kx By involving partner in a discussion, we at least give ourselves a chance of getting these right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Going down is a bit of bad luck, but this is a slam I wouldn't mind staying out of :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 If you bid Keycard, how will you distinguish between these two hands:QJxx Qxx xxxx KxQxxx xxx Kxxx Kx By involving partner in a discussion, we at least give ourselves a chance of getting these right. Hand #1 is not an option, unless pd thought your splinter asked something else than his ♦ holdings. It is extremely far from being realistic also. It assumes that opponents bid like morons. But if they did, and if u get this 5 level "discussions" for grandslam purposes with your pd always right to find out the perfect hand, more power to ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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