your call

[Phil]

Ridiculous post....I can understand those, well sort of who think this soft hand is worth 1 ♦BUT If you are playing weak 2s and your range is 6-11, then why not 2 ♦?? Did I miscount?..My calculator says 11, if I count on my fingees I have 11....what is the 11 for anyways if you won't bid 2 ♦with 11..is there 11 counts you will open 2 ♦ with?

 

You might want to attempt to understand why a good player will occasionally open a weak 2 with 11 and the same individual might open a one bid with 10.

 

There isn't a contradiction here.

[gszes]

I admit I prefer other uses for 2d than weak however,

if using them, I have no problem opening 2d. Look at

this almost defenseless dreck many are considering

opening 1d:)) if bidding goes 1d (1h/s 2c) p p are you

ever going to reopen with an x (I hope not)

 

The 2d bid accomplishes a lot and makes it just a tad

more dangerous for opps to intervene. Save your 1d

openings for hands with some defense at least

like xx Axx AQxxxx xx where you are not totally

embarassed by your actions in competitive situations.

[the hog]

I would pass unless I have a weak two in ♦ available or a mini notrump and yes, I do not consider it close.

I am not a Roth Stone fan and open other hands which many would pass.

I am well aware that most Bridge players overvalue this type of hand constantly and refuse to learn from their results.

The distribution is not good, neither is the honor structure.

 

To prove my point I ran a simulation (1000 deals) giving partner exactly 12 HCP and balanced distribution.

 

3NT made on 207 deals and was down on 793 deals. Average number of tricks was 7.3

Now single dummy you will make 3NT a little bit more often, but nowhere often enough.

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

How does this prove your "point"?. Just because you have a 12 count opposite an opener does not mean you have to be in game.

[dake50]

1NT is easy playing 1NT:10-13 and 1D artificial, 2D special.

The only alternate is 3D which is NOT a weak preempt, close.

[SimonFa]

I would pass unless I have a weak two in ♦ available or a mini notrump and yes, I do not consider it close.

I am not a Roth Stone fan and open other hands which many would pass.

I am well aware that most Bridge players overvalue this type of hand constantly and refuse to learn from their results.

The distribution is not good, neither is the honor structure.

 

To prove my point I ran a simulation (1000 deals) giving partner exactly 12 HCP and balanced distribution.

 

3NT made on 207 deals and was down on 793 deals. Average number of tricks was 7.3

Now single dummy you will make 3NT a little bit more often, but nowhere often enough.

 

Rainer Herrmann

Why do you assume 3NT is the place to end up? If partner invites at some point showing 12 points you could pass, unless your name is Lall and your partner is named Grue, or vice versa :D

 

Also, from what I've been reading the aim is to get your bidding going first and with this hand I have a rebid.

[rhm]

Rainer balanced 12 hcp, if your pdship is opening light, is not a gf but invitation. You told us the simulation results vs a 12 hcp balanced hands but i am more interested in the results showing what would happen if we opened weak 2♦ with this and pd holding 13-14-15 hcp with xx ♦ because without a help in the suit most of the time it will be played there. Although the argument i am trying to make, i admit, makes more sense at IMPS.

 

I checked on your conditions:

 

partner having 2 ♦ without the ace but possible the ten, balanced (5 card major possible), 13-14 HCP (1000 deals)

 

Result:

From partner's side 3NT made on 430 deals and was down on 570 deals. Average number of tricks in notrumps was 8.26

2♦ made on 971 deals and 3♦ on 823 deals. Average number of tricks in ♦ was 9.33

 

It's at least no big deal giving up on game. With 15 HCP I guess you would check whether partner has a minimum or maximum weak two. (3♦ looks safe opposite 15 HCP)

 

Rainer Herrmann

[pooltuna]

I checked on your conditions:

 

partner having 2 ♦ without the ace but possible the ten, balanced (5 card major possible), 13-14 HCP (1000 deals)

 

Result:

From partner's side 3NT made on 430 deals and was down on 570 deals. Average number of tricks in notrumps was 8.26

2♦ made on 971 deals and 3♦ on 823 deals. Average number of tricks in ♦ was 9.33

 

It's at least no big deal giving up on game. With 15 HCP I guess you would check whether partner has a minimum or maximum weak two. (3♦ looks safe opposite 15 HCP)

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

 

So based on your simul it appears this hand is an opener for V IMPs but a pass for MPs(or a weak 2♦)?

[MrAce]

I checked on your conditions:

 

partner having 2 ♦ without the ace but possible the ten, balanced (5 card major possible), 13-14 HCP (1000 deals)

 

Result:

From partner's side 3NT made on 430 deals and was down on 570 deals. Average number of tricks in notrumps was 8.26

2♦ made on 971 deals and 3♦ on 823 deals. Average number of tricks in ♦ was 9.33

 

It's at least no big deal giving up on game. With 15 HCP I guess you would check whether partner has a minimum or maximum weak two. (3♦ looks safe opposite 15 HCP)

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

 

Okay ty for the simulation.

[whereagles]

1D canonical.

 

2D if feeling swingy.