dboxley Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1d1hd2h4c]133|100[/hv]What is the 4♣ call? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 good minor 2 suiter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 good minor 2 suitercan't say it better than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Does GB 2NT affect the meaning or does 4♣ now just show a very good 2 suiter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dd1h2c3s]133|100[/hv]is a not dissimilar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dd1h2c3s]133|100[/hv]is a similar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition. It is not even remotely similar fyi. In the OP example , opener is jump bidding a suit which was implied by pd, or at least was not implied by opponents, while in your example opener is jump bidding a suit implied by opponents and not pd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 It is not even remotely similar fyi. In the OP example , opener is jump bidding a suit which was implied by pd, or at least was not implied by opponents, while in your example opener is jump bidding a suit implied by opponents and not pd.Therefore the splinter interpretation should be more likely in the second example. But I agree that the auctions are different, although the doubler in the second example hand does not have to have spades, just as the doubler in the OP does not need to have clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dd1h2c3s]133|100[/hv]is a not dissimilar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition. 3S is a splinter because 2S (a reverse) would be forcing. 4C in this auction is not a splinter because 3C (the minimum bid of a suit) is NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 3S is a splinter because 2S (a reverse) would be forcing. 4C in this auction is not a splinter because 3C (the minimum bid of a suit) is NF.Indeed, and in the case to which Lamford refers the main argument for treating 3♠ as natural was that 2♠ would have been non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I like AJAR (AllJumpsAreRaises) here splinter's for partner's hearts.That makes others go through 2NT (good/bad) ie.Long diamonds, Strong bal, Big 2nd suit. Or lower bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dd1h2c3s]133|100[/hv]is a not dissimilar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition.Agree with MrAce ( ie your example is in no way similar ). And in your example, 4C! ( instead of 3S ) would be a jump-cue splinter for Hts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Does GB 2NT affect the meaning or does 4♣ now just show a very good 2 suiter?Because of the likelihood of more competitition by the opponents, I believe the GB 2NT should be single-suited diamonds (weaker than 3D); 3C competitive in clubs; and 4C, as others say, strong 2-suiter. This way, your partner is in on what is happening when the opponents raise the level in their suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Rule: don't make splinters on inferred suits. Reason: not forcing on pard a tube of aspirines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Rule: don't make splinters on inferred suits. Reason: not forcing on pard a tube of aspirines.So what would you take 1♦-1♥-x-2♥4♥ as? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the word "inferred". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 LOL...that would be infra-red suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 So what would you take 1♦-1♥-x-2♥4♥ as? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the word "inferred". Probably a splinter, though I wouldn't be 100% sure on the suit. Could be spades, could be a minor, who knows? I would definitely avoid making such a bid if I had an alternative. By the way, what's :( about quantum chemistry? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 So what would you take 1♦-1♥-x-2♥4♥ as? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the word "inferred". this is clearer than the OP's auction. A splinter for ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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