gwnn Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 QJTxxKQQT9xxx xAKxxAxxxAJxx S deals, natural methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I see no reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 thats ok, but you still have to bid it, a passout will.not get you a lot of points. my teammate pointed out that I should post about the scoring: 50% imp and 50% mp (patton) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 1♦-1♠2♣-3♥3NT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Or 1D - 2C: 3S! - 3NT (not playing 2/1, low road)Or 1D - 2C: 3S! - 4C; 4D! - 4S!; 5C (not playing 2/1, high road)Or 1D - 1H!; 2C - 2D!; 3C! (1444, 14-17) - 3NT (1H relay, low road)Or 1D - 1H!; 2C - 2D!; 3C! (1444, 14-17) - 3D!; 4D (7 controls) - 4H!; 5D - 6C (1H relay, high road)Or 1D - 1S; 2H - 2NT!; 3C - 3NT (using the suggested reverse plus transfers, low road)Or 1D - 1S; 2H - 2NT!; 3NT - 4C; 6C (using the suggested reverse plus transfers, high road)Or 1D - 1S; 2H - 3NT (reverse without transfers, low road)Or 1D - 1S; 2H - 3C; 4C - 4D!; 4H! - 4N!; 5C (reverse without transfers, high road) Basically any low road path leads to 3NT, obviously. High road path will lead to either 5C or 6C depending on whether you key card or not and what else you can ascertain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 My start would be: 1♦-1♠ (1♠ cos not strong enough for GF)2♣-2♥ (2♣ not strong enough to reverse cos 4441 is not a good shape. 2♥ because ♦KQ reevaluates to GF hand with 10 clubs in line)3♥-?? East might bid 3NT because of the Patton scoring, but 5♣ could be just as good, it takes 4 keycards (or 3 and a void) to make slam, so perhaps if you answer keycards to 4♣ or some if those wondrful gadgets around that I never tired its the best shot, but 5♣ is good option as well descrbing a minimum hand with a lot of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 1D 1S2C 4C seems like a reasonable start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) 1♦-1♠2♣-3♥3NTI never met a splinter I didn't like.Opener, with all those controls , makes a 4C! Minorwood try ( Minorwood and not Kickback since agreement was at the 3-level ) and stops in 4NT or 5C ( to play ) after he finds 2 key cards missing: 1D - 1S2C - 3H!4C! - 4D ( 0/3 )??.. 4H = dQ-ask.. 4S = ( 2nd step ) K-ask ( asks for cheapest bid K ).. 4NT = to play.. 5C = to play- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Edit: Maybe Gordon's stop in 3NT is more prudent. Responder is limited.If Responder had GF values with a black 2-suiter, he would have first bid 2C! ( 2/1 GF ) over 1D .... and still have room to find a 4-4 Sp fit on the 2-level. Edited October 15, 2011 by TWO4BRIDGE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 BTW in standard 3 hearts is game forcing 5-5 in the majors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 The North hand isn't close to being strong enough to splinter if you ask me. All the soft values also scream 3NT, which is where I know I would end up. 1♦ - 1♠2♣ - 2♥3♥ - 3♠3NT - All Pass What did I win? :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 1NT - 2C2H - 3NTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Put me down for 1D-1S-2C, the forcing raise of your choice, and probably no way to bail out short of 6C. Neither glory nor shame in a 50% slam... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 BTW in standard 3 hearts is game forcing 5-5 in the majors Odd - I was fairly sure that the standard meaning for 2H then 3H was GF with 5-5 in the majors :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I was taught that 2♥ then 3♥ is invitational, but perhaps this is from the times where 4sf wasn't GF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I also see no reverse here.1D 1S2C 3H3NTand that's all folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I held the south hand. I opened 1C and rebid 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 At IMPS, we bid 1♦-2♣-2N (GF not necessarily balanced)-3♠-4♣-5♣ If partner has enough to bid a cold 6, most of the time he will do so (4 key cards and a second round spade control). The only hand type we might miss it on is void, AKx, AJxxxx, Kxxx where partner may be worried about the diamonds not running and spade wastage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I held the south hand. I opened 1C and rebid 2H. Why? Some systemic reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Why? Some systemic reason? I am also curious. For us this would show 5+C , 4H and a better hand, as I suspect it would for most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Why? Some systemic reason? In my regular partnership we systemically open 1C with 4-4 in the minors. This hand came up in a pub-crawl tournament and we had no subtle agreements. Recently I have been studying the Schollaardt-Wortel system, they bid 1C - 1S - 2H on 1-4-4-4 hands that they consider strong enough for this auction. I thought this was a suitable hand to test their approach. Are the alternatives better? I don't like opening 1NT with a small singleton. Of courrse I could open my weakest 4-card suit. After 1D - 1S - 2C, I could play in 2C cold for 4H if partner is 5-4-1-3. If partner has a gameforcing hand, he might bid 3NT (should I bid over that?) or 2H (I'd bid 3H but could I show my extra strength?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I think 1D-1S-2C is preferable, despite the obvious risk of missing a 5-4 or 4-4 heart fit. I also hate 1N. I prefer the 1D-2C approach since this hand is marginal for a reverse to begin with, and you only have 4 clubs. I think when partner is not a GF you will often end in a 4-3 club fit, and when partner is strong enough to GF the auction still won't time out that well for you (you are bidding NT next I guess, it seems like some of the time you belong in diamonds it will be hard to work out. I don't think 1C-1S-2H-3C-3D shows this for instance). If your partner does preference back to 2D and you get to bid 2H, that would be perfect to me, you show your exact values and pretty much your exact shape, and you're still at 2H. If partner bids 4th suit forcing you can bid 3H which shows most of your shape, and you can hopefully follow it up with 4N or just keycard depending on what partner does next. I guess part of the discrepancy in our views is how comfortable we are reversing with this hand, with an 18 count I would reverse to hearts obv. Also I think changing your system to allow for opening 1D with 1444 would be a good idea. And, I will note that reverse flannery responses to 1m will solve all of your concerns wrt missing hearts, and makes it much less necessary to rebid NT with a small stiff spade in order to keep hearts in the game. But that comes with a cost as well, perhaps you need your 2 level jumps over 1m to solve other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 How would people feel about opening 1♦ and rebidding 1N over 1♠ if your no trump range was such that this was in the correct point range ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I would rebid 1NT in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 How can I reverse after a 1NT opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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