vang Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 please help me with a simple (i'd preffer simple to perfect) defense against this opening:"1h = 7-9 / 14-16 bal" -- the opening is passable (with 3+ hearts cf CC) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Surely not ACBL (agreement to open on less than 8 is forbidden)I like 1S with 7-9, 3+S so passable or 14-16 bal.That'll bound the T/O dbl as real values bal or real spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 How about: Dbl: 15+ any1♠: Natural1NT: Hearts2♣: Clubs2♦: Diamonds2♥: Both majors2♠: Both minors2NT: 19 - 21 NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I fail to see the point of bringing the ACBL to such discussions over and over again. If we're discussing non natural systems they're usually forbidden in the ACBL anyway, and mentioning this for the 1001st time simply doesn't answer any of the questions asked... As for the topic, I can't come up with a good defense in just a few minutes. At the moment I'd probably play Dbl as values, natural overcalls (including 1♥-2♥), weak jumps, 1NT standard with system on,... Not sure what's the best use for 2NT. If it goes 1♥-p-p I guess you can probably get a reasonable result by considering the 1♥ opening to be natural. Perhaps another interesting idea (inspired on another thread) may be to use Dbl as a ♥ overcall or a takeout Dbl of ♥, but I haven't thought this through yet. So don't shoot me! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I fail to see the point of bringing the ACBL to such discussions over and over again. Indeed, the "Romania" might have been a giveaway. My regular partner and I normally play DBL=strong NT over strange openings. One scheme here might be to do this and play 1♠ as natural, and 1NT, 2♣ and 2♦ as transfers. 2♥ could be strong takeout of hearts, or natural, or also a transfer with some weak hands including one-suited with spades. Not sure what the best use of 2♠ is, or how to handle hands that are too strong for a strong NT. Perhaps transfer to something and then bid NT, or play 1♠ as a transfer to NTs, though I think that the natural 1♠ may be too valuable to give up. The idea expressed above that double is takeout or penalty of hearts is very interesting; I like to use this over pass-or-correct bids, but I also haven't thought this through about over this opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Agree with Free's comment re the ACBL. What was the point of this post? A simple method we used against Ferts and other bids of this nature.X = 15+, step = neg1NT = 12-14, can be off shape2C = transfer to H; now 2D shows no H fit but 4S2D = nat over this one HUM bid system2H = 4H and a longer minir, 12-152S = intermediate 22NT = 12-15, 5/5 minors This is a generic defence against HUMS and it is called SOAP - system over artificial pre emption. It works quite well over the opps NT openings as well, except you add in that 2D is a transfer to S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar13 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 By the way this is also relevant to ACBL members who also play in other venues, such as Europe, Australia, or for that matter on line. When in Rome might it not pay to be able to counter what the Romans do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 thanks everyone, I have made a mix from your suggestions: DBL = strong, any 16+ HCP, (first step negative response)1S = natural (8-15 HCP, normal overcall)1NT = 11-15, 5m+4M (2C=p/c, 2D=ask major, 2H=p/c)2C/D/H = natural 11-15 (minor overcalls denies 4cM because of 1NT) in 4th pos:- after 1H - p - DBL=normal takeout to hearts, anything else natural- after (1H) - (1S = relay) - as above (strong double, 1NT=5m4M, 2x=natural)- after (1H) - (2 any = natural NF) - normal takeout doubles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 thanks everyone, I have made a mix from your suggestions: DBL = strong, any 16+ HCP, (first step negative response)1S = natural (8-15 HCP, normal overcall)1NT = 11-15, 5m+4M (2C=p/c, 2D=ask major, 2H=p/c)2C/D/H = natural 11-15 (minor overcalls denies 4cM because of 1NT) in 4th pos:- after 1H - p - DBL=normal takeout to hearts, anything else natural- after (1H) - (1S = relay) - as above (strong double, 1NT=5m4M, 2x=natural)- after (1H) - (2 any = natural NF) - normal takeout doubles So how do you show a heart suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 So how do you show a heart suit? 2H (ugly, but you can't have it all...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 if this shows 3+ hearts the best defence is to play exactly the same as if they opened natural 1♥, except that now 2♥ is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 if this shows 3+ hearts the best defence is to play exactly the same as if they opened natural 1♥, except that now 2♥ is natural. The 14-16 hand is balanced so probably promises 2 hearts, but my guess is that the 7-9 can be any shape. The OP was ambiguous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 The 14-16 hand is balanced so probably promises 2 hearts, but my guess is that the 7-9 can be any shape. The OP was ambiguous. it's 7-9 BAL or 14-16 BAL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 it's 7-9 BAL or 14-16 BAL.oh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'd play something based on a defence to 1NT. Perhaps:Double = 14+ balanced or any very strong hand1♠ = 4 spades and a longer minor1NT = 4 hearts and a longer minor2♣ = majors2♦ = one major2♥/♠ = 5 of the major and a four-card minor2NT = minors3♣/♦ = natural one-suitedThe bids should all be hands that would open the bidding.I wouldn't worry much about trying to take a penalty. An easier way to exploit the opening bid is to get to a normal contract and then use the extra information in the play. After 1♥-pass-pass, play the same except that that the double has a lower limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmBrPotter Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 please help me with a simple (i'd preffer simple to perfect) defense against this opening:"1h = 7-9 / 14-16 bal" -- the opening is passable (with 3+ hearts cf CC) WGregg and I use a standard DONT based defense against all conventional/oddball openings below 1NT. It may not always be ideal, but it has the advantage that we have a defense in place without needing to cobble something together from opponents' notes and opponents' stuff extracted from some "Defenses to Whatever DataBase". Here goes. Defending against 1-suit conventional we . . . Double: Sound opening bid (15+ HCP) with length and strength in the doubled suit or a lower ranking suit or a balanced hand with a stopper in any suit shown by the oddball opening. 1-suit: Sound opening bid (15+ HCP) with length and strength in the bid suit. 1NT: Relay to 2♣ with a one-suited hand. Pass or correct after Partner's forced 2♣ bid---strength (typically, about weak two opening values and distribution) varies with vulnerability and whether or not Partner has passed. 2♣: Clubs and another suit---strength and two-suited-ness vary with vulnerability and whether or not Partner has passed. 2♦: Diamonds and a major---strength and two-suited-ness vary with vulnerability and whether or not Partner has passed. 2♥: Both majors:---strength and two-suited-ness vary with vulnerability and whether or not Partner has passed. Higher Bids: However your partnership already uses them---WGregg and I use 2♠ (♥s) and 2NT (♠s) to show preemptive 6-5, 6-6, 6-7 with the anchor suit and a lower ranking suit. Suit bids above 2NT are one-suited preempts, and 3NT shows a preemptive minor suit 6-5 or more two-suited hand. Responses and rebids follow DONT practice or partnership styled "bridge logic" responses and rebids after a preempt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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