kgr Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 RHO opens 2D weak or 2H weak.What is the minimal hand with which you bid 3S iso 2S?This is a system question, No Vuln or match type defined.Example hands:AQJxxx / Kx / xx / KJxAQJxxxx / Kx / x / KJxAQJTxx / Kx / xx / KQx Thanks,KoenEdited: Changed 2nd hand from D xx to D x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 The second hand has 14 cards, if you mean that it has a singleton diamond, it is a clear 3♠ bid. The first one is a 2♠ bid and the third one might be a 3♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Agree with gwnn. Only the third one is close but I would want slightly more for a 3♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I would define 3♠ as 7.5-8.5 playing tricks. The last hand qualifies if opps don't consider AQxxxx and nothing else to be a sufficient weak 2 - which is ridiculous but not unheard of - and if we're vulnerable, I'm not in 3rd seat (with a passed partner and unpassed LHO), and I'm feeling lucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I would define 3♠ as 7.5-8.5 playing tricks.I do not think it needs to be quite as strong as this - closer is a hand that would double and bid rather than overcall but this is not quite right either since some hands that would take this route at the 1 level will still double now (because they are flexible rather than 1-suited). With 8.5 tricks I am more likely to be looking at a 4S bid than 3S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 The jump 3S must have a minor single/void.2S is a limited-by-not-double-first.Better defense starts X to rebid 3S/4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 The last hand qualifies if opps don't consider AQxxxx and nothing else to be a sufficient weak 2 - which is ridiculous but not unheard of What do you consider to be a minimum weak two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 What do you consider to be a minimum weak two?I think you need to add colours and seat position to this for it to have any real meaning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I think you need to add colours and seat position to this for it to have any real meaning...The post to which I was replying didn't see any such necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 The post to which I was replying didn't see any such necessity.This is true. It was also written in the negative which I find somewhat confusing and need to re-read 2 or 3 times to be sure I have the correct meaning. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 This is true. It was also written in the negative which I find somewhat confusing and need to re-read 2 or 3 times to be sure I have the correct meaning. :(Does that mean you needed to read it three or four times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Does that mean you needed to read it three or four times?Is this not the same thing? In the same way that more than 2 is the same as 3 or more for a variable that can only take integer form. But I used re-read to show that this was each time I returned to the thread rather than reading it through 3 or 4 times and then remembering it thereafter so i guess I have read it through at least 7 or 8 times in all :unsure: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 What do you think of following definition?:(2 weak)-3M jump6cM with 15-18 good points if no extra distribution (Can have less points with longer Spades or extra distribution) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I would jump to 3♠ only with hand 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 RHO opens 2D weak or 2H weak.What is the minimal hand with which you bid 3S iso 2S?This is a system question, No Vuln or match type defined.Example hands:AQJxxx / Kx / xx / KJxAQJxxxx / Kx / x / KJxAQJTxx / Kx / xx / KQx Thanks,KoenEdited: Changed 2nd hand from D xx to D x2♠3♠3♠ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Just to sound like a very careful expert, I'd like to say that the third hand is a 2♠ bid over 2♥ but a 3♠ bid over 2♦. ;) @kgr: yes I think that definition is pretty accurate, about the best way to express it if you want to express it with numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Just to sound like a very careful expert, I'd like to say that the third hand is a 2♠ bid over 2♥ but a 3♠ bid over 2♦. ;)Why is that?Is there a difference in overcalling 2♦ and 2♥Or is?: AQJTxx / xx / Kx / KQx2♠ over 2♦ & 3♠ over 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Or is?:AQJTxx / xx / Kx / KQx2♠ over 2♦ & 3♠ over 2♥ Yes that's what I meant. But I don't think I would cut it that fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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