jallerton Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'd open it 1♠. I don't mind 4♠, but I hate 3♠ with so much defence. I agree that it doesn't seem right to open 3♠ on hands with "so much defence", but it's hard to see how this hand falls into this category. In practice, this sort of hand tends to take more defensive tricks if you open 3♠ than if you open 1♠, as a 3♠ opener will often persuade an opponent to play your partner for high cards outside spades. Would you also open 1♠ on ♠QJ10xxxx ♥2 ♦KJ2 ♣32? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Playing standard methods, nothing but 3♠ would occur to me. Playing non-standard methods, what would you prefer to open? 2♥ showing hearts or spades, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Isn't "love all" white/white? OMG that is what I said but he swore it was red/red.... haha...he is still arguing that it's red/red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 double post: I am using the tennis argument, he says "then what's red...love/red, I've never heard of that." Ok, white/white kran says he opens 1S all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Would open 1♠, we play 1st seat as a "gun" position so partner is not going to expect this much defence in a 3 bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Ugly to be honest. Heavy on defence for 3S, way too rubbish for 4S, too light for 1S. I'm half tempted to pass but in reality I'd open 3S. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 I am using the tennis argument, he says "then what's red...love/red, I've never heard of that."Apparently, red/red is:Game all, Dealer W... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 3♠. The junk on the side doesn't worry me much, especially not against aggressive opponents who might easily be pushed to high after 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Interesting 1♠ did not even occur to me untill i read Zal's reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Wasn't there a thread about this a while back? If we are N/S, we are:Board 1: at Love allBoard 2: at (in?) RedBoard 3: at GreenBoard 4: at Game all Well this was just one of the British usages, there was also Amber for unfavourable and some other expressions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 You also sometimes hear White -> Red -> Green -> Amber but I usually just say WE (or THEY) [are vulnerable] together with Love All and Game All. Or alternatively "I looked at the colours for once!" for a particularly cowardly or foolhardy action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 1S is ludicrous. 3S is the clear answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Wasn't there a thread about this a while back? If we are N/S, we are:Board 1: at Love allBoard 2: at (in?) RedBoard 3: at GreenBoard 4: at Game all Well this was just one of the British usages, there was also Amber for unfavourable and some other expressions.That's a mixture of two terminologies. The normal English terms are "Love all", "Unfavourable", "Favourable" and "Game all". You will often see these in print, and they even appear in the ACBL Encylopedia of Bridge. Colloquially, people may use "White", "Red", "Green" and "Amber". Obviously, the latter scheme is best avoided on an international forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Would you also open 1♠ on ♠QJ10xxxx ♥2 ♦KJ2 ♣32?No, I'd open 3♠, but I'd still be a bit unhappy about the outside values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Isn't opening 4 with a lot of defense worse than opening 3 with a lot of defense?Dunno. It it doesn't feel as bad, for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Until I read the Hog's post I'm just going with 3S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 3♠. I wish my hand was more pure for this, but sometimes I have to choose the best of bad options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 I flipped 5 quarters into the airas to how they landed I did not care... 4 out of 5 said 3♠. Even without the quarters I would open this 3♠ if I couldn't use 2♠. I would only open this 1♠ in a partnership or system that opens super light (Incision/Zar/John Kranyak) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I would not open 1♠. I'm between 3 and Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I will open 2♠ showing 8-12 points and a 6 card suit and be happy that I play that method when I pick this hand up :) Sadly you are not playing American weak twos. Your Two Spade opener at love all would be 5-9 with six spades. Well the hand fits nicely into the 5-9 range. The seventh ♠ makes it a maximum but not out of range. 8 HCP looks about right to me. I would happily trade in all these honors for 2 aces. I admit I never understood the argument of those, who would never open a weak two with a seven card suit. For an 8-12 "American" weak two I would definitely consider this hand minimal, the seventh ♠ notwithstanding. The Ruben Kaplan evaluator (which is good for suit contracts) puts the total value of this hand at 9.55, of which 2 points were attributed to the 7321 distribution. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Well the hand fits nicely into the 5-9 range. The seventh ♠ makes it a maximum but not out of range. 8 HCP looks about right to me. I would happily trade in all these honors for 2 aces. I would not be at all happy about opening 2 Spades at love all on ♠ A9xxxxx ♥ x ♦ Axx ♣ xx. But then I would not be happy with any call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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