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2N - 3D (--> )

3H - 4D

4N - 5D

5S

 

2N 20-21

4N to play (does anyone think it's not?).

 

Does 5S exist here?

 

edit: This is MP. I didn't add this edit until after the first 2 replies.

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I would call 4N "natural", not "to play", since responder is in charge of what level we get to.

 

5 means "sorry for master-minding, partner; I should have bid spades earlier".

 

When earlier?

In the system we're playing:

3S after 3D is a superaccept [should it be something else?]

4S after 4D is a cuebid

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I would say it asks for the trump queen if 3 showed fit. It asks partner to bid 5NT if there's no agreement to having a fit.

 

3H showed "not a superaccept." It did not imply 3H, and if my understanding is correct, 4N should show exactly 2 hearts and 3 diamonds

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If my p bid it I would interpret it as "I have woken up and realised I am suitable for slam". I have no idea if this is sensible or not but would wonder if p had four low diamonds and was trying to play in NT because it was MPs, although they may well have cued 4S on that hand. This said, I'm not sure I can think of a hand that is suddenly suitable for slam facing a 5 5 and could not have bid differently at some previous point.
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I think the 5d bid has revealed a ten card

dia fit and dramatically improved the opening

2n hand. Opener invites 7d with the following

hands.

 

bid 5h with

 

AKx

Kx

Kxxxx

AKx

 

bid 5s with

 

AKQ

Kx

Kxxxx

KQx

 

5n with

 

Axx

AK

Qxxxx

AKx

 

bid 6c with

 

KQx

Kx

Kxxxx

AKQ

 

these bid invite responder to bid 7d with the appropriate type of hand

 

 

I seriously doubt this is a standard treatment

since not a lot of hands like this crop up it is

just a treatment I like.

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5D to me shows 5 hearts and 6 diamonds non forcing.

 

I do not think that partner can logically be trying for 7 when 4N was not only not forcing, but a pretty strong statement about the crappiness of hand/solidity of blacksuit stoppers, and 5D is not only not forcing, but a pretty strong statement about how weak the hand is (it doesn't want to play 4N, a hand with 5 hearts and 6 diamonds could be pretty weak to bid this way).

 

I would say "does not exist" or more likely "the 5S bidder thinks something else is happening than I do on this hand."

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The suggestion of natural reminds me of that famous brad/fred hand. With Brad I probably would take it as natural actually. I guess natural is correct, but with most players it would be far more likely they'd never open 2N and want to bid 5S naturally, and thus more likely that we're having a misunderstanding.
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Assuming for the moment we are not having a misunderstanding (per JL):

 

We didn't have a super-accept of hearts, and 4NT was to play and without four diamonds (We didn't cue 4S/4D or raise them).

 

IMO, after 5D opener is now cuebidding spades for diamonds after responder insisted on red suit play.

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Assuming for the moment we are not having a misunderstanding (per JL):

 

We didn't have a super-accept of hearts, and 4NT was to play and without four diamonds (We didn't cue 4S/4D or raise them).

 

IMO, after 5D opener is now cuebidding spades for diamonds after responder insisted on red suit play.

 

I suspect that is what the bidder meant. However does it make sense? Responder has suggested a 5 level contract in Ds. opener is now forcing to 6 with 5S. Has opener found an extra D or Aces previously hidden behind his cards?

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my guess would be opener's got a selection of honours in the reds but no length and has now realised his honours are the nuts when respodner has 11+ red cards

 

something like this

 

[hv=pc=n&n=sajt2hk2dakjcAt92]133|100[/hv]

 

This is a 4H bid over 4D, not a ridiculous 4NT bid.

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Firstly I don't know what the auction means. But I will take a guess. I expect the 4NT showed that the majority of the values were in the black suits, and the 5 was something like "I don't know if this belongs in 6 or 5 NT but at matchpoints it does not belong in 5. I know, 4NT already pretty much said that. But I think there might be room for someone to say "I know you understood me the first time and you think 5 is best, but I am telling you it is not best. Trust me, it's not". Of course he can still be wrong.
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This is a 4H bid over 4D, not a ridiculous 4NT bid.

 

as i said it was my guess of what partner's got, not what he should have done earlier during the bidding.

 

if your partner's never made a less than ideal call and then tried to rectify it later in the auction, you're a lucky man.

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This is a 4H bid over 4D, not a ridiculous 4NT bid.

The choice not to bid 4H with only two of them over 4D, nor to cue 4S with only 3-cards in diamonds might not be your choice ---or even the choice of other experts. But I don't think it rises to "ridiculous".

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