wclass___ Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s3h2dcakqjt987654&n=s7654hak543da765c&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p6cp7cppp]266|200[/hv] ♠A was lead. North hand was a bit differet, something like ♠Kxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s3h2dcakqjt987654&n=s7654hak543da765c&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p6cp7cppp]266|200[/hv] ♠A was lead. North hand was a bit differet, something like ♠Kxxx. West = 40%North = 25%South = 25%System = 10% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I blame the system because you don't play 5NT as a transfer preempt, after which East wouldn't lead ♠ every. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I blame West 100%..my gosh who leads aces against Grands anyhow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Hehehe! Just last night there was a hand where 6D/6NT was on. When we opened the traveller one pair was in 7D making - with the player on opening lead holding the SA... Would not like to have been that player after the hand! Open 2C, rebid 3C, then bid 5D exclusion is about the only way I can see of handling this. Time to go work on my specific ace/king-asking conventions. Edit: sorry, ATB. 100% South I'm afraid - can hardly blame North for raising with TWO aces, nor West for leading his ace... Tough hand though! ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I blame West 100%..my gosh who leads aces against Grands anyhow?Certainly not GIB! Sorry, couldn't resist... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 i see this kind of thing a lot and feel it is betterto open 4n blackwood and be able to sign off if 0 with pass 5d 5h or 5s and be happy with 6 if 1 or 2 and bid 7 if 3 and p should convert to nt if they have atleast 1 of your suit no matter imps or mp. save those 6 openings for a hand that 1 top honor in suit bid to bid 7AQJT987654AKQvoid void voidAAKJT98AKQJT9 so IMO blame s 100% but it might also be a system problem if theycannot open 4n blackwood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 so IMO blame s 100% but it might also be a system problem if theycannot open 4n blackwood. "Blame system 100% if you don't bid Blackwood" holding a void = $&()@$^#)@!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 just goes to show that holding a void in and of itselfis insufficient reason to avoid blackwood. Blackwoodwas designed to help keep you out of poor slams and it serves its purpose nicely here. here we have a great hand where using blackwood gets youto safely play 5 of your suit (whatever it may be) if has zeroor if p has 1 ace you get to a 66.67% slam if they have2 aces you are better off staying at 6 since a grand is only 33.3% (actually better since only 50% chance opening leader hasthe ace) but still not good enough for 7. The added beenfit ofbeing able to open 4n is it is hugely preemtive and much harder opps to find a great sac (or gasp even a make since we have likezero defense). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Interesting, for a freak hand this doesn't seem all that hard to bid. 1. forcing opening2. set trumps3. cue bids4. realize no spade control5. 6♣6. hope ops didn't bid 5 of something after step 1 or 27. 920, push 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 If South had passed, is 2C Drury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Open 2C, rebid 3C, then bid 5D exclusion is about the only way I can see of handling this. This doesn't seem like much of a plan. Partner might be broke. (Also it is close whether 2♣ is permitted in the EBU, though this might not be a problem; the applicable jurisdiction is not noted.) If you open 1♣, then you can see whether partner has values before going slamming. Naturally this plan is not foolproof, as it may let the opponents get together in a major... Nothing is guaranteed, but when you have this much of a freak you do what you can and don't worry about it -- you are not likely to see it again! Time to go work on my specific ace/king-asking conventions. Interesting to consider how this can be improved. There is not much room to do anything over a 4NT opening; some people use a 3NT opening as an ace ask; but those who prefer to use the 3NT opening for something with a bit higher frequency will be stuck and will just have to muddle through next time they pick up a solid 11-card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 so IMO blame s 100% but it might also be a system problem if theycannot open 4n blackwood.Perhaps South should've opened 4♣ Gerber... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 What's 6C anyway? I wouldn't be making guesses with North's hand without having all the aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Open 3NT asking for specific Aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 N100%. He has two aces but a club void . I wouldn't open 6C but it is not an unreasonable bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 What made the N hand think they were invited to this party? Lets see, I hold 2 aces and my partner opened at the 6 level, I doubt he will make this with anyone else and I am delighted to supply them with some winners. I found that when I have no idea what is going on I can hardly be responsible for the outcome. It is obvious with the N hand that partner has taken a flyer all on their own. Hope like hell they do not hit any tall buildings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Sorry about not mentioning the system.System - precision type. 3N=gambling;4N=minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s3h2dcakqjt987654&n=s7654hak543da765c&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p6cp7cppp]266|200[/hv] ♠A was lead. North hand was a bit differet, something like ♠Kxxx.All the blame goes to West. He should have doubled. Then North could have run to 7NT. ;) :P Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I was once dealt a hand with 11 solid clubs. I was the playing director, and the board had been (hand-) dealt at the table in my absence.I (correctly) demanded a redeal and the opponents looked somewhat disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 (Also it is close whether 2♣ is permitted in the EBU, though this might not be a problem; the applicable jurisdiction is not noted.) Interesting to consider how this can be improved. There is not much room to do anything over a 4NT opening; some people use a 3NT opening as an ace ask; but those who prefer to use the 3NT opening for something with a bit higher frequency will be stuck and will just have to muddle through next time they pick up a solid 11-card suit. Certainly permitted in the EBU - the hand has 11 clear cut tricks! I have played a 3NT ace ask in the past - but never developed or seen a system where, after responder shows two aces, opener can ask what aces they are. You could say "4NT shows 2 aces, forcing to slam, opener bids the suit he's not interested in" - so 5D here, after which N bids 6C (pass or correct) because the DA is useless. What to do with ♠KQJxxxx ♥- ♦- ♣ KQJxxx though? That's the fun of bridge, I guess :) ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 I was once dealt a hand with 11 solid clubs. I was the playing director, and the board had been (hand-) dealt at the table in my absence.I (correctly) demanded a redeal and the opponents looked somewhat disappointed. You asked for a redeal after discovering that you had 11 solid clubs? Really that is correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Certainly permitted in the EBU - the hand has 11 clear cut tricks!You forgot the "and the strength promised by a normal 1 opener" type clause, which I believe from previous discussion is an 11 or 12 count not a 10 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Certainly permitted in the EBU - the hand has 11 clear cut tricks!I am unpersuaded by your certainty.The minimum requirements for a strong forcing opening in EBUland was summarised by Bluejack in this threadhttp://www.bridgebas...ning-two-clubs/ To my mind it lacks the normal HCP for an opening hand and fails the rule of 25.Having a minimum CCT is expressly stated as being insufficient, on its own, to qualify, although may be included among other requirements.Don't take this post as in support of the rules, just my interpretation of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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