rduran1216 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&w=sahj432dkt5ckqt53&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=2sd4sppp]133|200[/hv] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&w=sahj432dkt5ckqt53&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=2sd4sppp]133|200[/hv] ♠A, I just hope it doesn't give up a trump trick. I have to admit that at the table I would probably lead the ♣K without even thinking about it but after thinking I will try to 1) get off a future endplay and 2) possibly stop a ruff. Of course the dummy might show with ♦AQJx(x) in which case I may regret my choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I have no "reason" to think any special lead willdefeat this contract and that means I go withwhat seems "normal" and start with club K 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'd lead ♣K. ♠A can work but also can cost us a trick. Perhaps pd has a ruff that we can manage to find ? All i know is, i do not remember too many hands that i was unhappy with defense leading trump ace when i was declaring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 ♣K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Club K. Is this a trick question? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Of course the dummy might show with ♦AQJx(x) in which case I may regret my choice. If thats the case, we aren't beating 4♠ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 I see no reason to deviate from a normal lead, ♣K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Club K. Is this a trick question? :DA sarcastic whereagles answer that I completely agree with! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 agree with cherdano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted October 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 full hand [hv=pc=n&s=sqjt864hq5da6c986&w=sahj432dkt5ckqt53&n=sk972hat6dqj984c7&e=s53hk987d732caj42]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 full hand [hv=pc=n&s=sqjt864hq5da6c986&w=sahj432dkt5ckqt53&n=sk972hat6dqj984c7&e=s53hk987d732caj42]399|300[/hv] seems like lead ♣K, pd plays ♣J, u shift to ♥, pd plays ♦ +50 lead ♠A and -420. Expensive price to pay just to see dummy when we already have a textbook lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 seems like lead ♣K, pd plays ♣J, u shift to ♥, pd plays ♦ +50 Only if you like to take losing practice finesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Only if you like to take losing practice finesses. Sorry, what i wrote was nonsense. Unblocks ♥ T or goes to dummy with ♣ ruff. I dont think we can set this on any lead or defense. Suppose pd overtakes and plays ♦ he makes, if pd plays ♥ and he misguesses still makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olien Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The ♥ lead, which I'm sure is last on everybody's mind, is the only lead to legitimately defeat 4♠. The ♥ lead was tied for last on my order of leads, which were: ♣>♦>either M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Declarer would make on a heart lead too, by unblocking ♥Q at trick one. He's not going to play for you to have no red-suit honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Maybe I'm still sleepy, but I don't see how any lead defeats this contract. If you lead a ♥, declarer lets it run to his ♥Q. East can take, but this will make ♥Q high, and on ♥A declarer can discard his ♦ loser. He only needs to ruff 2♣s, he'll lose a ♥, a ♠ and a ♣. This is similar to ♣K lead followed by a ♥ switch. If EW play on ♦, then the ♥ loser will go on the high ♦s. And if we don't touch a red suit, declarer will play on ♦ and easily make his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted October 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Maybe I'm still sleepy, but I don't see how any lead defeats this contract. If you lead a ♥, declarer lets it run to his ♥Q. East can take, but this will make ♥Q high, and on ♥A declarer can discard his ♦ loser. He only needs to ruff 2♣s, he'll lose a ♥, a ♠ and a ♣. This is similar to ♣K lead followed by a ♥ switch. If EW play on ♦, then the ♥ loser will go on the high ♦s. And if we don't touch a red suit, declarer will play on ♦ and easily make his contract. assuming u dont play the Q under the K, which admittedly double dummy makes this work, but I can't imagine anyone doing this, how do u untangle the hearts when a diamond is sent back at trick two? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 assuming u dont play the Q under the K, which admittedly double dummy makes this work, but I can't imagine anyone doing this, how do u untangle the hearts when a diamond is sent back at trick two?I think you should work on your imagination then. I'd be rather embarrassed if I failed to unblock ♥Q. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 assuming u dont play the Q under the K, which admittedly double dummy makes this work, but I can't imagine anyone doing this, how do u untangle the hearts when a diamond is sent back at trick two? Sometimes I really want to award you the title of worst poster ever. To summarize, you posted a problem- with an obvious single-dummy lead, where- the lead on the actual hand wouldn't matter (assuming a competent declarer), and- you weren't even able to read the thread and notice the post where it was pointed out that the lead didn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Sometimes I really want to award you the title of worst poster ever. To summarize, you posted a problem- with an obvious single-dummy lead, where- the lead on the actual hand wouldn't matter (assuming a competent declarer), and- you weren't even able to read the thread and notice the post where it was pointed out that the lead didn't matter. Its really delightful that the forum troll comes on to think I didn't read the thread. Thanks for your dazzling contribution. I hope someday to be 14 again where I bring sarcasm to my every post on a messageboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Cherdano is the forum troll? I thought that was me :P FU cherdano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 unblocking the HQ is not an unrealistic play when your LHO has made a takeout X of 2S and not led a top club. RHO is now marked with the HK, and something like the CK. Not unblocking is playing him for the HJ and the DK as well. This must be far less likely after LHO has made a double than LHO having the HJ and DK. A diamond shift will not be hard for RHO to find looking at that dummy if we don't unblock, it's his only hope (assuming imps). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 a) I would lead a top c.b) I am pretty sure i would unblock the H on a h lead, unless I was asleep.c) I agree rduran's last post. The post about which he is commenting was totally unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Following gnasher and the Hog, I would also like to point out that I am good enough to unblock the heart queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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