Poky Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=saj95h962dacakt84&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=2hd4h5dppdpp]133|200[/hv]Team match. Maybe you do not agree with the first double, but this is how the bidding went... Now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Too late for "now?" That is what I did over 2H, and that is where we are. Maybe all they get is a couple diamonds, I am not going from maybe good to probably worse. Partner didn't double, and didn't bid 4N....he didn't invite me to the party. Whether I should have invited him to the party is water over the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Yeah - partner has less than 4♠ and tends to deny 3♣, so what (s)he has is 6+ ♦. If I'm feeling REALLY LUCKY and I think partner has ♣ support, I will XX. In every other case, I Pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Now pass. Pard has loads of diamonds. He has no 4 spades, short hearts and no 4 clubs (would bid 4NT instead of 5D). Likely shape: 3163. You might fare better in 6C. But then again, you've probably been caught speeding, so better stop low(est possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Now pass. Pard has loads of diamonds. He has no 4 spades, short hearts and no 4 clubs (would bid 4NT instead of 5D)Do you really bid 4NT with, say, 2164?What is partner supposed to do with 4333 on 4NT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Depends. If KQxxxx/xxxx probably not, but with xxxxxx/KQxx probably yes. With 4333 pard is 1) not supposed to dbl unless he's got a monster, 2) might pass 4NT anyway and 3) nobody's perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Depends. If KQxxxx/xxxx probably not, but with xxxxxx/KQxx probably yes. Of course minors, when 6-4, are always dealt 1 suit with no honor and the other has 2 top honors. You should have known this Poky. When Nuno says pd would bid 4NT with 6-4 thats what he meant, all the other 6-4 hands will be covered in another topic. With 4333 pard is 1) not supposed to dbl unless he's got a monster... Wow! 2) might pass 4NT anyway ... WOW !!! 3) nobody's perfect. Please don't be humble ! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 LHO must be doubling mainly on a trump holding - he has no aces, and he won't be relying on [sP}KQ for two tricks. At this vulnerability partner will have some high cards rather than just long mediocre diamonds. I'd bid 6♣, hoping to find ♠K and/or ♣Q in dummy. Maybe they won't lead a trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Mr. Texan ace, what's the matter with you? Have you eaten something spoiled? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 yes and pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Feels like a "one bid fits all" double failing. Accept this failing case unless you have a bid for 4xS + 5xC T/O. Of course other shape cases also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 what most are trying to say (and we see this type ofproblem over and over and over again) is try VERYhard to avoid off shape TOX unless you are strong enough to bid over any jumps your p makes becausethey think you have a large fit. You are much better off bidding 3c than x. It is muchbetter to find out p has lots of dia at 3 level than at 5 level when there is little you can do about it. ANYWAY back to your question the penalty for making your TOX is 5d X so sit back and let p stew over your dummyand have a big SORRY PARTNER :( all prepared. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 before passing put a couple of hearts after ♦A 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 before passing put a couple of hearts after ♦A :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasioc Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 before passing put a couple of hearts after ♦A Comments like that make me wish bbf came with a 'like' button like facebook does 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Comments like that make me wish bbf came with a 'like' button like facebook does It is the little green button on the bottom right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasioc Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 It is the little green button on the bottom right. I can't use it yet :( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 :P Pass and develop a quick case of amnesia before the next hand. Your counterpart at the other table faced the same problem you did and may have done even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 I pass, but wouldn't be surprised if partner brought home 5D. He could have something like xxx - KQJxxxx xxx and thinks he's saving over the opps' making 4H if partner has a minimum TOX. Not sure I agree or disagree with the original X. Feels a bit heavy for 3C and the spades might go missing - but you just know the moment the X hits the table that partner will have a feckload of diamonds and not a lot else. ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Do you really bid 4NT with, say, 2164?What is partner supposed to do with 4333 on 4NT?partner is not supposed to double on 4333...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Pass now. I have made my bed, so I lie in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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