Bbradley62 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 [hv=lin=pn|PBH2242,~~M10249cn,~~M132213e,~~M13557qt|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S48QHJQD3JKC26JQK%2CS35679H7D247QC9TA%2CSKAH369D689TAC578%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%208%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CWeak%20two%20bid%20--%205-11%20HCP%3B%20rebiddable%20H%20%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7COvercall%20--%2012%2B%20HCP%3B%20rebiddable%20C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC6%7C]360|270[/hv]North was awfully shy... What would a third-seat 3♥ opening bid show? Is East's suit too good for that bid? [hv=lin=pn|Shadow9999,~~M3860fpq,~~M127916w,~~M1329409|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S48QHJQD3JKC26JQK%2CS35679H7D247QC9TA%2CSKAH369D689TAC578%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%208%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CWeak%20two%20bid%20--%205-11%20HCP%3B%20rebiddable%20H%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3-5%20C%3B%203-5%20D%3B%202-%20H%3B%203-4%20S%3B%2013%2B%20total%20poi%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C4%2B%20D%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2010-12%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH4%7C]360|270[/hv]Why does the 3♦ explanation say 10-12 total points? Wouldn't North make that same bid with much less? [hv=lin=pn|~~M15268rl,~~M7180m3v,bbradley62,~~M3616dui|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S48QHJQD3JKC26JQK%2CS35679H7D247QC9TA%2CSKAH369D689TAC578%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2040%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%201%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7CAggressive%20weak%20jump%20overcall%20--%206%2B%20H%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%203%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7CCue%20bid%20--%2013%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5D%7Can%7C3%2B%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7Cstrong%20rebiddable%20C%3B%2021%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7C]360|270[/hv]So, GIB doesn't think I had an opening bid... but what happened after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 For #1 & #3 it seems the response-pass and continuation over 5♦ are not justified. But for #2 seems ok. GIB will go through Lebensohl 2NT then 3♦ drop bid over your 3♣ forced bid. So going up with 3♣,3♦ etc over 2weak - X should corresponds to good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 On #3, 4♣ seems like South's normal bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 For #3 it's very interesting hand, where any bid may be wrong. You can't pass with 15HCP although quite bad 15HCP, you don't have 4th spade for X, no stopper for 3nt, may go up the secure level with cuebidding or introducing clubs at fourth level. The smallest deviation from the lie for me seems to be X, where you offer to your partner opportunity to pass with balanced minor hand and no shortness in heart, bid 3NT with probable ♥Ax or bid his longer minor where you could raise. But still with X you will put your partner on the grill with 4342 hand or 4432. Weird hand holdings for any human pair no matter how settled they are i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Georgi: I sympathize with South having a hard time over 3♥, but what about the 6♣ bid? Supposedly 21+ total points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Georgi: I sympathize with South having a hard time over 3♥, but what about the 6♣ bid? Supposedly 21+ total points? 6♣ is definitely bad choice. The issue probably comes from the 5♦ which still says 3+. In all cases 5♦ do not increase the initial sum of points the NS claimed to have. So 5♦ should be a sign off by North. South shouldn't bid more. 21+ should correspond to the bidding and South should have to bid like that. Having solid suit, void heart, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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