TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) What is your method to reach slam ?Do you start with Stayman ... planning on Smolen if a 2D reply ?But here, partner replies 2H -- he's got 4 cards to your 6 cards Hts.[hv=pc=n&w=sakj7hqjt853dq2c3&e=sqt62hak96da6cat5]266|100[/hv] --- - 1NT2C! - 2H?? continue ( how do you show a splinter ? ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EDIT: Can you find the 4-4 Sp fit ? ( Do you want to ? ) Edited September 30, 2011 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I usually play 3 of the other major after a stayman response is an unbalanced slam try with support for partner's major. So in this case you would bid 3S, partner bids 3NT to ask the shortness, you bid 4C to show short clubs, and partner bids keycard. This frees up 1NT 2C 2M 4C/4D for keycard and slam tries without shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I would also start with stayman, but I wouldn't bid smolen afterwards, I'd "retransfer" at the 4 level. When I hear a 2H response, I too use 3S as an unbalanced slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I would also start with stayman, but I wouldn't bid smolen afterwards, I'd "retransfer" at the 4 level. When I hear a 2H response, I too use 3S as an unbalanced slam try. what? you retransfer after stayman...confusing after 2h 3s is what an unbalanced hand??? I am confused fwiw ....I think my pards have forgetten to tell my what these bids mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 As you know I play a weak NT and Puppet so perhaps not my thread, but in Standard I would have thought West would continue with 4C over 2H as a splinter. This will excite East who can cue diamonds, then West can take control with RKCB/Kickback. Something along the lines of: 1NT - 2C; 2H - 4C; 4D - 4S; 4N - 5D; 5H - 6H As for my auction, well the possibly (inter alia) is there for the 6KCB auction I know you are waiting for... 1C = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any... - 1H = 4+ spades, GF1N = 15-17 bal... - 2D = 5+ hearts3S = 4 hearts, 4 spades, max... - 4C = 6KCB4D = 1 or 4... - 4N = Q ask5D = 1 queen... - 6N (partner has no space for a 13th trick) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 This is a hand where reaching 6♥/6N is easy, but reaching the good 7♠ is much harder. I would upgrade the E hand and treat it as 18 (AK, A, A and good intermediates), but I'm not sure that this would in fact help. While I can believe an auction of: (4 card majors) 1♥-2N (4+ card raise to at least 3)3♠-4♠4N-5♣5♦-5♥7♠ There are plenty of other choices that could be made on the way. The key to reaching 7♠ is for the smaller hand to do the asking and establish that the opener has 4 spades, 3 aces, the K♥ and the Q♠, which can be done if premature heart agreement doesn't make it impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Am I missing something? Why doesn't anyone want to play 7S, which is cold, barring a ruff or a 5-0 Spade break?What is this talk of 6H or 6NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Am I missing something? Why doesn't anyone want to play 7S, which is cold, barring a ruff or a 5-0 Spade break?What is this talk of 6H or 6NT?You are right, and serves me right for posting from work. In my auction I even have all the information required for 7S too. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 You are right, and serves me right for posting from work. In my auction I even have all the information required for 7S too. :o Yes, I often do the same myself. It is probably poetic justice - posting from work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Mothods for 6-4" With light, 2♣, then if 2♦ use Texas (e.g., 1NT-2♣-2♦-4♦ = 4♠/6♥ weakish)With slam interest, 2♣, then Smolemn if 2♦, then re-transfer if 3NT (e.g., 1NT-2♣-2♦-3♥-3NT-4♥ slammish) On this actual, the auction ends up geared toward the heart strain, as the auction unfortunately hits that way (probably). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Am I missing something? Why doesn't anyone want to play 7S, which is cold, barring a ruff or a 5-0 Spade break?What is this talk of 6H or 6NT?Most posters, I assume, started out recognizing the obvious ---that 7S is a good thing. I, for one, though envious of those whose style could get them to spades, knew it was not going to happen for us. Then I moved on to determine the strain I would actually reach. After:1N-2C2H...yes, we use 3S as slammish for hearts; but 4S would not follow as a natural raise. We might even be able to construct a situation where a grand in a different 4-3 fit is better than the 6-4 strain. We won't get to that one, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Am I missing something? Why doesn't anyone want to play 7S, which is cold, barring a ruff or a 5-0 Spade break?What is this talk of 6H or 6NT?As it was there were only 12 tricks at Sp.... a 4-1 split killed 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I usually play 3 of the other major after a stayman response is an unbalanced slam try with support for partner's major. So in this case you would bid 3S, partner bids 3NT to ask the shortness, you bid 4C to show short clubs, and partner bids keycard. This frees up 1NT 2C 2M 4C/4D for keycard and slam tries without shortness.Ditto: 3oM agrees M and announces shortness. 4D! agrees M and is a balanced slam try ( something I have never used ). ... and 4C! for me is RKC-"G-word" ( agreeing M of course ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 As it was there were only 12 tricks at Sp.... a 4-1 split killed 13.If your declarer play is that bad, don't bid 7♠, A♣, ruff a club, draw trumps and cash winners, 5 trumps, 6 hearts, 2 aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) As it was there were only 12 tricks at Sp.... a 4-1 split killed 13.That doesn't seem likely. Win opening lead, ruff a club; draw trumps and claim? six hearts, four spades, one diamond, one club, and the ruff. I see Cyber beat me to it by a minute; but there is still value in the duplicated posts ---comparison of posting styles :rolleyes: Edited September 30, 2011 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Mothods for 6-4" With light, 2♣, then if 2♦ use Texas (e.g., 1NT-2♣-2♦-4♦ = 4♠/6♥ weakish)With slam interest, 2♣, then Smolemn if 2♦, then re-transfer if 3NT (e.g., 1NT-2♣-2♦-3♥-3NT-4♥ slammish) On this actual, the auction ends up geared toward the heart strain, as the auction unfortunately hits that way (probably).That's funny. I play exactly the opposite. All Smolen auctions are game forcing without slam interest. With this shape and a minimum game forcing hand, I would bid 2♣ then, over the expected 2♦ response, I would Smolen with 3♠. Over partner's expected 3NT call, I would bid 4♦ (transfer to hearts). With a slammish hand, I would transfer to hearts and bid 2♠, showing 5+ hearts and 4+ spades with slam interest. It should be easy to reach the spade grand after that start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) If your declarer play is that bad, don't bid 7♠, A♣, ruff a club, draw trumps and cash winners, 5 trumps, 6 hearts, 2 aces.You are right.Only one pair played in Spades ( 4S + 2 ) and took 4 rounds of trumps first ... duh. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^EDIT: @aquaman ... you both are right. ( I didn't look past the result ). Edited September 30, 2011 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 With a slammish hand, I would transfer to hearts and bid 2♠, showing 5+ hearts and 4+ spades with slam interest. It should be easy to reach the spade grand after that start.More common is for 2S as invitational:1NT - 2D!2H - 2S = 4s/5h, 8-9 hcp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 You are right.Only one pair played in Spades ( 4S + 2 ) and took 4 rounds of trumps first ... duh. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^EDIT: @aquaman ... you both are right. ( I didn't look past the result ).Are you posting from work too, Don?! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Ditto: 3oM agrees M and announces shortness. 4D! agrees M and is a balanced slam try ( something I have never used ). ... and 4C! for me is RKC-"G-word" ( agreeing M of course ). Probably slightly better to switch your 4♣ and 4♦ responses. It's better to have more room to explore after the quantitative raise, and you have plenty of room for keycards with 4D. So you lose nothing by switching but gain an extra cuebid for the bal slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 This is a big win for non-Garbage Stayman where 1N - 2♣ - 2N shows a max and 4-4 in the majors. I think West would opt for the 4-4 grand. 3♥ 'transfers' spades back to opener, and then responder can just RKC. Otherwise, I think I would end up on the same track as others: 1N - 2♣ - 2♥ - 3♠ - unbalanced slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 What is your method to reach slam ?Do you start with Stayman ... planning on Smolen if a 2D reply ?But here, partner replies 2H -- he's got 4 cards to your 6 cards Hts.[hv=pc=n&w=sakj7hqjt853dq2c3&e=sqt62hak96da6cat5]266|100[/hv] --- - 1NT2C! - 2H?? continue ( how do you show a splinter ? ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EDIT: Can you find the 4-4 Sp fit ? ( Do you want to ? ) there will be hands (like this one) where responder does not careabout kings (in this case because opener cant have any more) but where they need a queen or a jack in a certain suit to get to a grand. Asplintered suit is useless for this but one of the other two suits can be asked for by using 6c to stand for the lower ranking suit and 6d the higher ranking suit. You would not use this unless the honor will allow you to choose 6n or 7 level. One could save a tad more space (on hands like this where another k is impossible) by using 5n and6c but the extra flexibility doesnt save much and messing with a normalsystem (ie 5n asking for kings) creates an error prone situation. opener step bids no key cardkey card but less than 4 cardskey card and 4 cards 1n 15-172c normal stayman2h 4 hearts maybe 4 spades4c agreeing to hearts splinter4d cue bid promising a good hand for slam4n rkc 0314 (or yours)5d 1 or 46d asking about spades6n (3rd step) spade honor and 4 spades7s places contract\ this same system can also work with a search for7 in a minor as long as it is safe to bypass 6 of your minor usit fit (ie play 6n) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 More common is for 2S as invitational:1NT - 2D!2H - 2S = 4s/5h, 8-9 hcpSince I do not play Garbage Stayman, I use Stayman for invitational hands. So 1NT - 2♣ - 2♦ - 2M is 5/4 with 5 of the bid major and invitational. I don't know that 2♠ as inviational after the transfer to hearts as invitational is more common. That depends on whether Garbage Stayman is more common or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Probably slightly better to switch your 4♣ and 4♦ responses. It's better to have more room to explore after the quantitative raise, and you have plenty of room for keycards with 4D. So you lose nothing by switching but gain an extra cuebid for the bal slam try.Thx..... good idea ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Are you posting from work too, Don?! :PMulti-tasking isn't my strong point . :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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