Cascade Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Does anyone have a link to a defense to 1NT based on bad ethics that goes something like: PassThink then PassAsk Range then PassDoubleThink then DoubleAsk then Double etc all showing different ranges. I have seen something before but I haven't found it in a search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdct Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Does anyone have a link to a defense to 1NT based on bad ethics that goes something like: PassThink then PassAsk Range then PassDoubleThink then DoubleAsk then Double etc all showing different ranges. I have seen something before but I haven't found it in a search.I too can't find a link to it anywhere but I'm quite sure that I've played against this defence before and it's quite hard to come up with a sensible counter-defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Modified Weasel? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I thought the "standard" defence to a weak NT was to think 1 second for every 3 hcp that you have... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Modified Weasel? This isn't quite it, because over 1NT, there are, as the OP mentioned, more options involving asking the range, at least in jurisdictions where the range is not announceable. In this country the convention is known as the "French Defense". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 This isn't quite it, because over 1NT, there are, as the OP mentioned, more options involving asking the range, at least in jurisdictions where the range is not announceable. In this country the convention is known as the "French Defense". Indeed I have heard many countries insulted with the naming rights of this defense. What I recall seeing but now cannot find is something like: Pass 0-2Slow Pass 3-5Ask then Pass 6-8Ask then Slow Pass 9-11Double 12-14Slow Double 15-17Ask then Double 18-20Ask then Slow Double 21-23 I guess you could add in Slow Ask to get even more precision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 It would be probably more efficient to add in heart length and four-point ranges ;) For example, a very polite question (♥ ♥ ♥) could show a long heart suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I too can't find a link to it anywhere but I'm quite sure that I've played against this defence before and it's quite hard to come up with a sensible counter-defence. A sensible defense is easy to come up with. If asked the range of the NT, replying instantly shows 15, clearing your throat and replying shows 16, saying "um" before replying shows 17, clearing your throat then "um" shows 15 with 4 spades, etc. If not asked, responder can hesitate for a few seconds to show 0-5 HCP, can think for a while before passing to show 6-7, can examine the opponents convention card before passing to show a GF, etc. Bridge is easy. Edit, assuming the opener is asked his range. Switch stuff around if asking partner. You know what I mean. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Widen the point range add level of politness, a stutter and a cough. I think you could show your exact shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I assume that all of these defence variants, and counter-defences, are alertable? Unfortunately, I think that these would be difficult to play effectively with screens...altho the throat-clearing, sniffing, coughing adjuncts might still work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I assume that all of these defence variants, and counter-defences, are alertable? Unfortunately, I think that these would be difficult to play effectively with screens...altho the throat-clearing, sniffing, coughing adjuncts might still work.You are forgetting the possibilities from foot-tapping Mike... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 A sensible defense is easy to come up with. If asked the range of the NT, replying instantly shows 15, clearing your throat and replying shows 16, saying "um" before replying shows 17, clearing your throat then "um" shows 15 with 4 spades, etc. If not asked, responder can hesitate for a few seconds to show 0-5 HCP, can think for a while before passing to show 6-7, can examine the opponents convention card before passing to show a GF, etc. Bridge is easy. Edit, assuming the opener is asked his range. Switch stuff around if asking partner. You know what I mean.These tactics can also be used in areas where NT ranges are announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Does anyone have a link to a defense to 1NT based on bad ethics that goes something like: PassThink then PassAsk Range then PassDoubleThink then DoubleAsk then Double etc all showing different ranges. I have seen something before but I haven't found it in a search. Look up "Weasel". It also works well over a Precision Club.(1C) thinks....Does that show Clubs? So it doesn't show Cs? ok 2C There is also encrypted Weasel, similar to encrypted signals, but I am not sure if that is ACBL legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 In this country the convention is known as the "French Defense". Named after the country or Marvin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I noticed on monday that you can also tap the bidding box before making your bid to get some MORSE across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Named after the country or Marvin?Where are the Mods? Is it okay to defame a whole country, just one person, or both? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I've encountered the same sort of defence to weak 2's, although rather than range ask one would hear, back in the day when strong 2's were more common at the club, "is that weak or strong, honey?" .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Isn't responder supposed to answer? In that case if it goes 1NT (ask then dbl) then 12 - 14 then pass shows willingness to play there and um.. 12 - 14 asks partner to scramble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Another one that seems to be peculiar to the weak NT around here is:1NT(LHO reaches for the box)"12-14"(LHO pauses with her hand on the box)... still haven't figured out what it actually *means*. Still like the Modified French Defence (the Quebec defence?): when they open 1NT, wait for the announcement. If it doesn't come, ask. Then start thinking about what I'm going to do. Not as effective as the original version, but gets the point across, and doesn't cause the above error. Edit: And Cascade, you have the passes right, but the doubles are backwards. The immediate Double shows the nuts, the various stages of asking and delay show lower strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Another one that seems to be peculiar to the weak NT around here is:1NT(LHO reaches for the box)"12-14"(LHO pauses with her hand on the box)... still haven't figured out what it actually *means*.The meaning is clear, on this one ---and relatively common if there was any delay in the range announcement. They have different defenses (or ranges of calls) vs. weak/strong; I sympathize with this one, but there is still UI if the action after the pause is from a different part of the box. People still assume a 1NT bid has the common range for their turf in the absense of an announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Edit: And Cascade, you have the passes right, but the doubles are backwards. The immediate Double shows the nuts, the various stages of asking and delay show lower strength. Do you have a source? That is what I was really after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Do you have a source? That is what I was really after. I don't. I'll support it as logical, though. A fast action means what you're doing is clearly right on your hand and a slow action means it's less clear. Also, ask then slow pass and ask then slow double should be right next to each other in strength for those cases when you really want to decide between them. You don't even need to discuss it with your partner, and you probably already do it (to some extent)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Do you have a source? That is what I was really after.Just the many opponents who played this against me, especially before the Announcements came in (and, of course, after the Announcements came in, but only for non-15-18 1NTs - it works just as well against "strong" NT). But I'm sure if you check my history for "WeaSeL over NT", you'll see several versions of me explaining it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Just the many opponents who played this against me, especially before the Announcements came in (and, of course, after the Announcements came in, but only for non-15-18 1NTs - it works just as well against "strong" NT). But I'm sure if you check my history for "WeaSeL over NT", you'll see several versions of me explaining it. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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