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In last two post, I showed hands were responder either stopped short after the descriptive splinter, or used LTTC and his partner pulled in the reigns. In this thread, I will show a series of hands where the bidding would continue either immediiately by responder (by bidding above 4H), or by opener shoiwing "extra values" over the LTTC bid, or by responder first bidding LTTC and then not accepting reponders signoff.

 

As before, the real world bidding is shown, but this time, starting with the splinter bid, I ahve added the remaing part of the auction...

 

IMP-19      South       Dlr: East 

Board 24978

                S AKT85     Vul: N-S

                H A976     

East          D J94       West       

S Q94       C K         S J7632    

H Q83                   H 4        

D K872      North       D QT63     

C 932       S           C Q76      

            H KJT52    

            D A5       

            C AJT854   

 

East     South    West     North   

Pass     1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     4C*      Pass     4NT     

Pass     5H*      Pass     6H      

Pass     Pass     Pass    

 

1. splinter raise of hearts

2. lol

Opening lead: C2    Result: Made 6

Score: 1430         Points: 4.00 

 

4C - 4NT; 5H - 6h

 

IMP-20      West        Dlr: West 

Board 37794

               S AKQ98     Vul: None

               H JT743    

South       D J2        North      

S JT43      C Q         S 765      

H 6                     H 52       

D Q964      East        D T75      

C T876      S 2         C K9542    

            H AKQ98    

            D AK83     

            C AJ3      

 

South    West     North    East    

         1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3H       Pass     4NT     

Pass     5D       Pass     5NT     

Pass     6D       Pass     6NT     

Pass     Pass     Pass    

Opening lead: D4    Result: Made 7

Score: 1020         Points: -5.67

 

keep it simple... 4C - 7H... opener iwth no AKQ in hearts, diamonds, or clubs (well could have club K or Q stiff), is marked for excellent spades. If you want to be pendantic about it, you could bid 4NT, and then ask for kings... but this is very simple bridge.

 

IMP-20      West        Dlr: West 

Board 39490 S AK876     Vul: Both

            H AQ43     

South       D J87       North      

S T943      C 8         S J2       

H 6                     H T8       

D T65       East        D Q93      

C AJ432     S Q5        C KQT976   

            H KJ9752   

            D AK42     

            C 5        

 

South    West     North    East   

         1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     4H       Pass     Pass    

Pass    

Opening lead: D5    Result: Made 6

Score: 680          Points: -4.47

 

4C - 4D, 4NT - 5S, 6H -pass... 4D expressed uncertainty, but promised diamond control. With AK in spades, and AQ in hearts, just enough to continue. Ace asking is most appropriate.. With a sixth heart south shows heart queen even though he doesn't hold it.

 

 

IMP-21      North       Dlr: West 

Board 48482 S AT8742    Vul: Both

            H AJ62     

West        D Q7        East       

S J96       C 4         S K3       

H 3                     H Q94      

D J6532     South       D AT84     

C KT72      S Q5        C Q863     

            H KT875    

            D K9       

            C AJ95     

 

West     North    East     South   

Pass     1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3H       Pass     4C*     

Pass     4NT!     Pass     5H      

Pass     6H       Pass     Pass    

Pass    

 

Opening lead: C2    Result: Down 2

Score: -200         Points: -7.47

 

4C - 4D; 4H - Pass once again after uncertainty 4D, north has no problem astoppong .

 

IMP-23      East        Dlr: East 

Board 17099

               S AQJ42     Vul: E-W

               H KT96     

North        D 986       South      

S T986      C Q         S 53       

H 2                     H Q53      

D AKJ54     West        D T732     

C KJ4       S K7        C T863     

              H AJ874    

              D Q        

              C A9752    

 

North    East     South    West    

         1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3H       Pass     4C      

Pass     4S       Pass     6H      

Pass     Pass     Pass    

Opening lead: DA    Result: Down 1

Score: -100         Points: -12.13

 

4C - 4Dl; 4H = Pass Once responder express uncertainly, opener iwth an 12 count, counting his club queen, will stop. On a good day 6H might make, but few if any will be there...

 

 

IMP-25      East        Dlr: South

Board 41458 S KQ853     Vul: E-W

            H KQJT     

North       D QJ4       South      

S JT74      C 4         S A2       

H 83                    H 52       

D KT        West        D 8632     

C QT652     S 96        C AJ873    

            H A9764    

            D A975     

            C K9       

 

North    East     South    West   

                  Pass     Pass    

Pass     1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     Pass     Pass    

Opening lead: C2    Result: Made 5

Score: 200          Points: -5.07

 

4C - 4D; 4H = Pass (safe) or,

4C - 4D; 4NT - 5H, Pass

 

If opener feels that wtth KQJT of hearts and good spades and what is probably useful diamonds he can't afford to pass. 5H is not entirely safe.

 

IMP-25      North       Dlr: West 

Board 44841

               S AQJ984    Vul: None

               H A953     

West         D K3        East       

S T5         C 6         S 7632     

H 642                   H 8        

D T62       South       D QJ974    

C QT753     S K         C J98      

            H KQJT7    

            D A85      

            C AK42     

 

West     North    East     South   

56.97    47.48    52.20    47.52   

Pass     1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3S       Pass     3NT     

Pass     4H       Pass     Pass    

Pass    

Opening lead: C3    Result: Made 7

Score: 510          Points: -12.60

 

All roads lead to grand slam... first

4C - 4D; 4NT - 5C; 5D -5S; 7H (5S = heart Queen plus spade king), or

4C -4S; 4NT - where 4S shows spade fitting honor, now it is even easier.

 

IMP-25      East        Dlr: North

Board 47485 S AKQT8     Vul: N-S

            H Q9432    

North       D T4        South      

S 9632      C J         S J54      

H T6                    H K        

D 98762     West        D KJ5      

C Q6        S 7         C K95432   

            H AJ875    

            D AQ3      

            C AT87     

 

North    East     South    West    

40.69    45.95    49.54    49.60   

Pass     1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     4H       Pass     Pass    

Pass    

Opening lead: D9    Result: Made 7

Score: 510          Points: -7.27

 

4C - 4NT; 5D - 6H, pass

 

 

IMP-27      South       Dlr: South

Board 3624  S AKQ74     Vul: N-S

            H AQ953    

East        D 82        West       

S J83       C Q         S T962     

H 6                     H J        

D KJT963    North       D Q754     

C 653       S 5         C K972     

            H KT8742   

            D A        

            C AJT84    

 

East     South    West     North   

61.00    50.86    45.51    53.52   

         1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3H       Pass     4C      

Pass     4H       Pass     4NT     

Pass     5H       Pass     6H      

Pass     Pass     Pass    

Opening lead: DJ    Result: Made 7

Score: 1460         Points: -6.07

 

This time responder might bid 4D first (never passing 4H) to see if opener has a good hand for the bidding or not. Or he might go with blackwood right away.

4C - 4NT; 5S - 5NT; 7H - pass... 5NT is I can see 12 tricks... kind of thing, opener has plenty of extra tricks to spare.

 

IMP-27      North       Dlr: North

Board 9607  S AQ943     Vul: None

                 H KQT5     

West          D QT4       East       

S 8765        C J         S KT2      

H 9                          H J72      

D 972       South        D KJ853    

C KT632     S J          C Q7       

            H A8643    

            D A6       

            C A9854    

 

West     North    East     South   

57.01    50.46    48.23    53.47   

         1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3H       Pass     4C!     

Dbl      Pass!    Pass     4H      

Pass     Pass     Pass    

 

Opening lead: D7    Result: Made 5

Score: 450          Points: -1.07

 

4C - 4D; 4S - 4NT; 5S - 6H; pass Despite this pair only taking 11 tricks, 12 are there... with KQTx of hearts, AQ of spades, and a working QT of diamonds, north is too good to pass 4D's.

 

 

IMP-28      East        Dlr: East 

Board 20618 S AQ9876    Vul: N-S

            H KQT2     

North       D Q3        South      

S J542      C T         S KT       

H 95                    H          

D 74        West        D JT9865   

C A9732     S 3         C KQ865    

            H AJ87643  

            D AK2      

            C J4       

 

North    East     South    West    

42.87    41.62    54.81    37.23   

         1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     2S       Pass     3D      

Pass     4C       Dbl      4D      

Pass     4S       Pass     4NT     

Pass     5D       Pass     5NT     

Pass     6H       Pass     Pass    

Dbl      Rdbl     Pass     Pass    

Pass    

Opening lead: CA    Result: Made 6

Score: 1620         Points: 14.87

 

easy blackwood gets you to six...

 

IMP-28      North       Dlr: North

Board 22210 S AJ987     Vul: E-W

            H KJT6     

West        D T63       East       

S 543       C Q         S KQT      

H 97                    H 83       

D K984      South       D AQJ75    

C T974      S 62        C J32      

            H AQ542    

            D 2        

            C AK865    

 

West     North    East     South   

52.33    52.87    50.85    55.48   

         1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3H       Pass     4C      

Pass     4H       Pass     Pass    

Pass    

Opening lead: D4    Result: Made 5

Score: 450          Points: 1.20 

 

4C - 4D; 4H - PAss Opener has nothing more than minimum expected.

 

IMP-29      South       Dlr: East 

Board 31181 S AKT87     Vul: None

            H KJ984    

East        D Q6        West       

S 32        C T         S QJ654    

H 753                   H          

D KJT932    North       D 754      

C A2        S 9         C QJ854    

            H AQT62    

            D A8       

            C K9763    

 

East     South    West     North   

66.50    59.80    60.29    59.63   

Pass     1S       Pass     2H      

Pass     3H       Pass     4H      

Pass     Pass     Pass    

Opening lead: CA    Result: Made 6

Score: 480          Points: 1.40 

 

4C - 4D; 4NT - 5S; 6H Opener has extras...

 

I think this shows how the bidding might progress... If anyone is interested, we could cover hands with splinter shape, but too "good" for splinter (control in other minor as well)... but that is pretty much standard serious 3NT business... covered elsewhere.

 

Ben

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Ben, I've considered the idea of having a splinter in these auctions deny a control in the 4th suit, and I think its sound bidding theory. Coupled with Last Train, it adds a lot of clarity to auctions.

 

Now....in auctions where a minor is agreed to via splinter, how can these auctions be handled, where there is no Last Train or Serious 3N?

 

1 - 2 - 3?

1 - 2 - 2 - 3?

 

 

Posters, please check in.

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Ben, I've considered the idea of having a splinter in these auctions deny a control in the 4th suit, and I think its sound bidding theory. Coupled with Last Train, it adds a lot of clarity to auctions.

 

Now....in auctions where a minor is agreed to via splinter, how can these auctions be handled, where there is no Last Train or Serious 3N?

 

1 - 2 - 3?

1 - 2 - 2 - 3?

 

 

Posters, please check in.

Thanks, in fact it does add clarity beyond belief...

 

The minor splinter, however, is a horse of different color. After the minor splinter, you often will need 3NT to play (since you may not want to go to 5 of a minor). So, I have been using the minor suit splinter just to try to set trumps. The one thought I have had about it, and have studied and it seems workable in theory, is that the minor suit splinter PROMISES a control in the undbid suit. This promise is useful for two reasons. First, if partner decides to try to stop in three notrump knowing about your short suit, and your fourth suit control, you will need considerable extra values (and probably a void) to override this decision. This avoids some untimely pulls of 3NT just to show your fourth suit control. The splinter can (in this case) show a void, or singleton ace as well.

 

Thus here, the splinter is aimed at making it easier to stop in 3NT and getting best shot at six of a minor, when you can't or when you should leave 3NT. To be honest, I haven't instituted this promise of a control in the off suit yet in any partnership. It does seem useful to me, however, in practice hands.

 

 

But anyway you decide to play this splinter, it had best be accurately defined to give you the best shot to stop or not, as you quickly run out of room. I guess it might work just as well the other way.

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Perhaps we should look at the splinter specifically promising OR denying control in the 4th suit, but not either. I think without the agreement, responder is 'stuck', holding duplicated values in the splinter suit; but no stopper in the 4th suit.

 

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versus:

 

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Certainly East has a problem with this set absent any agreements toward the 4th suit.

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[hv=d=w&v=n&w=sakxxxhkxxxdkqxcx&e=sxxhaqxxxdjxxcakq]266|100|Scoring: IMP

Uncontested

W....E

1...2

4...4

P[/hv]

4C was splinter

Assign the blame?

this hand is probably too strong for 4C. You only need Sxx HAxxxxx DAx CKxx to have a good play in 6H and partner would sign off with this hand over 4C. Thus it's better to start from 3H. 4C is limited and should be about 12-14 HCP or bad 15, >=6losers. Also, it's not a dead minimum as well.

Also, responder should bid 4D as last train, 4H is a little bit conservative.

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Here are some real workd example hands.. .I left the bidding at the table in, because too much work to cut it out...but, these might provide soem example hands to bat about for rahter the splinter should show or should not show whatever.

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

4 Pass 6 Pass

Pass Pass [/hv]

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Thanks Phil. Your comment caused me to consider this situation some more. Upon further review, I think I have a concept now. I think the if the minor suit splinter occurs in a game forcing auction at the three level, it should DENY a stopper in the fourth suit (bid out your disribution to show stopper in their suit and short suit). If the splinter occurs at the four level, it should promise a stopper in the fourth suit, since you are committing to 5 of a minor anyway, might as well show what you have. Let's see how this rule set would apply to a selected group of previous hands....

 

This treatment gives you best chance to stop in 3NT when it is right (quick losers in off suit and wasted values in short suit), and gives you very specific information when needed when pressing towards slam.

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

3NT Pass 4 Pass

4[NT] Pass 5 Pass

6

 

Not 3 at second round due to the club control. 4 has to be spade void, with singleton, 4 would work, and this promises a club control. Blackwood solves you are missing the club ace... change club KQ to Ax and you can start worrying about if grand slam can be bid and or made.

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For one of Phil's hands..

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

3NT Pass 4 Pass

4[NT] Pass 5 Pass

6

 

Not 3 at second round due to the club control. 4 has to be spade void, with singleton, 4 would work, and this promises a club control. Blackwood solves you are missing the club ace... change club KQ to Ax and you can start worrying about if grand slam can be bid and or made.

[/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

3NT Pass 4 Pass

4[NT] Pass 5 Pass

6

 

Not 3 at second round due to the club control. 4 has to be spade void, with singleton, 4 would work, and this promises a club control. Blackwood solves you are missing the club ace... change club KQ to Ax and you can start worrying about if grand slam can be bid and or made.

[/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

3NT Pass 4 Pass

4[NT] Pass 5 Pass

6

 

Not 3 at second round due to the club control. 4 has to be spade void, with singleton, 4 would work, and this promises a club control. Blackwood solves you are missing the club ace... change club KQ to Ax and you can start worrying about if grand slam can be bid and or made.

[/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

3NT Pass 4 Pass

4[NT] Pass 5 Pass

6

 

Not 3 at second round due to the club control. 4 has to be spade void, with singleton, 4 would work, and this promises a club control. Blackwood solves you are missing the club ace... change club KQ to Ax and you can start worrying about if grand slam can be bid and or made.

[/hv]

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&w=sk983hadkt9643c75&e=shkjt752daq2ckqj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP

West North East South

- - 1 Pass

2 Pass 3 Pass

3NT Pass 4 Pass

4[NT] Pass 5 Pass

6

 

Not 3 at second round due to the club control. 4 has to be spade void, with singleton, 4 would work, and this promises a club control. Blackwood solves you are missing the club ace... change club KQ to Ax and you can start worrying about if grand slam can be bid and or made.

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