4321 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Some more questions will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 seems ok to open.. to me at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I can't imagine not opening this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 i voted no....you will actually make it easier for the opps to find a major fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 a simple yes or no answer is not possible because this depends entirely on your agreements. So if you have agreed to open any 11 HCP hand yes if you have agreed to play 2/1 I would say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Routine opening for me playing 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I would not open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I would not open.Hi Phil, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Hi Phil, why not? 1. My ♥Q is a dubious value. 2. I have both minors. Opening the bidding with these hands makes it easier for the opponents to come in. Its close. I like my AK-K, and if I held both majors, or even one major, I'd open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I open here. Certainly I'd prefer that one of my minor suits were a major and it would be nice to see some tens in my hand, but I like my two minor suits and I like 5431. I have no rebidding problems and don't mind hearing a 2♣ response to my 1♦ opening. Yes, the queen is dubious, but I think the rest of the hand makes up for it. I know some players that would open this if the queen were the deuce, but I am not one of them. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 1. My ♥Q is a dubious value. 2. I have both minors. Opening the bidding with these hands makes it easier for the opponents to come in. Its close. I like my AK-K, and if I held both majors, or even one major, I'd open.Time for a Plum Meredith 1♠ opener perhaps? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 In any of my 2/1 partnerships I would pass, for the reasons Phil described, plus I tend to get bad results when partner plays 3NT. I MIGHT open this hand if I had something like 2♦ = 5+♦, 4+♣, 11-15 (a pair I know play this). In a Precision context, I'll open it all day, only because partner knows I open all 11s and won't hang me. Too bad you didn't have a 'maybe, depends on partner'. That's my vote, so I'll abstain from voting in this poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 passing a 12 HCP hand need a lot of good reasons, stiff HQ is not bad enough to pass it IMO. This hand has good controls, good shape and reasonable spades. If partner push you to slams, you usually don't mind to play there either. Some more questions will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 easy 1d I open without QH. But good hand to discuss with partners so they know. easy 2s rebid over 1s and 2c over anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 This hand is worth 12 Bergen "starting points". It also meets the "rule of 22". I'd open it, playing 2/1 or Precision or Romex or Romex Forcing Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 I'd much rather open it, and have an easy 2C rebid if I need it, than respond with it, and despair of ever showing my second suit. Make it 1-3-4-5 instead of 1-3-5-4 and you could talk me into passing much more easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4321 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 What do you think about answer from my partner? Expecting 1h I opened, because my Q in partner's longer should be not so bad. ...because may be difficult to bid something after pass opening. ...because I remember the system in guess situations to explain to my partner my possible missguesses.---------------------------So: 1d - 1h2c - 2s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 What do you think about answer from my partner? Expecting 1h I opened, because my Q in partner's longer should be not so bad. ...because may be difficult to bid something after pass opening. ...because I remember the system in guess situations to explain to my partner my possible missguesses.---------------------------So: 1d - 1h2c - 2s? easy and np 2nt now partner will play us for 5d....4c and 11-13....no problem....(yes we may have more but pard does not know that) we have no problem yet.... this is easy..... ---- pls lets not make common easy hands into problem hands.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Don't you need a stopper in the fourth suit to rebid NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 pls lets not make common easy hands into problem hands....IMO, this is not appropriate. There is legitimate debate about whether the hand is an opening bid, and the answers depend on style and system for those who think before answering. It might be an easy choice in your style, but it is just as easy an opposite choice in someone else's. Even the follow-up question about what to do after FSF brings up an interesting question by Antrax, the answer also dependent upon agreements and should be a consideration before the hand is opened (or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 IMO, this is not appropriate. There is legitimate debate about whether the hand is an opening bid, and the answers depend on style and system for those who think before answering. It might be an easy choice in your style, but it is just as easy an opposite choice in someone else's. pls quote my posts in full not partial. in fact i agree if you quote/comprehend in full. -- Let me add this is an easy pass in my roth stone style. I assumed many on bbo hate really hate roth stone/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 :P I, personally, would open the hand, but it is right on the cusp. Opps seem to have more problems when our side gets in the first bid. I have an easy rebid of 1NT at MP's or 2C at IMP's. I just can't visualize how we can comfortably get back into the auction if I pass. This is certainly not my favorite hand to open, and it could easily go wrong. Bridge is a game of percentages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I wouldn't consider passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I assumed many on bbo hate really hate roth stone/Probably not "hate". Their methods were o.k. for them, back then; and I believe some tools they used have been refined and are still being employed today. Their standards for an opening bid, and their wait-around approach to entering the opponents' auction would not be successful against strong modern pairs, however. I suspect the "Roth Stone" approach Mike777 uses is not pure, but rather more in-tune with modern conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4321 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Sorry but I had not two days for choosing a bid. 1d - 1h2c - 2s3s - 4d?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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