VM1973 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 [hv=lin=pn|VM1973,kl,O G K,styx707|st||md|2S8KAH238QD367CJKA,S5TJH59TDQC23467Q,S479QH467KD58TC9T,|rh||ah|Board 76|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pg||pc|SK|pc|S5|pc|S4|pc|S6|pg||pc|SA|pc|SJ|pc|S7|pc|S3|pg||pc|S8|pc|ST|pc|SQ|pc|S2|pg||pc|C9|pc|C5|pc|CK|pc|C2|pg||pc|CA|pc|C3|pc|CT|pc|C8|pg||pc|CJ|pc|CQ|pc|D8|pc|D9|pg||pc|D2|pc|D3|pc|DQ|pc|D5|pg||pc|HT|pc|H4|pc|HA|pc|H2|pg||pc|DA|pc|D6|pc|C4|pc|DT|pg||pc|DK|pc|D7|pc|C6|pc|H6|pg||pc|DJ|pc|H3|pc|H5|pc|H7|pg||pc|D4|pc|H8|pc|H9|pc|S9|pg||pc|HJ|pc|HQ|pc|C7|pc|HK|pg||]400|300[/hv] Well, if you don't bid 1NT what do you bid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 Double 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 probably double, but 1NT should have worked out fine, thanks to East. When the second diamond bid came around to North he was right to reopen with 2hearts, not 2S. This pretty much guarantees 4-4 in the majors in our world, since he didn't try for a heart partial right away. But that doesn't matter; East came in with a third same-suit bid, and it was time for North to double, turning their small loss into a nice gain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menggq Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Double no doubt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Double for me. Not 1NT without a stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Had North-South doubled at any opportunity on the hand, they would have come close to having their bid (assuming the doubles of 2♦ would be takeout). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 1NT is technically correct and impeccable. Certainly it wasn't the problem here. North could have dbled 2♦ for take out, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 "1NT is technically correct and impeccable."Nuno....1NT is really silly. Sorry! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 1NT is technically correct and impeccable.Dbl instead of 1NT is canonical. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 1NT is technically correct and impeccable. Certainly it wasn't the problem here. North could have dbled 2♦ for take out, though. I hope you alert your 1NT overcalls if it is literally any balanced 15-17 hand. Anyway, double WTP here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 South obviously doubles first round. As North I would have doubled 2♦ regardless of what it means. North certainly has to double 3♦. The X card is the most underused bidding card by beginners and intermediates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I hope you alert your 1NT overcalls if it is literally any balanced 15-17 hand. Strange land, that where you alert natural bids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 If one diamond could be a balanced hand with only 4 or 3 diamonds, I think 1N is fine. These hands with extras are really tough to show if you start with a dble and lho doesn't have the good grace to be silent. If I bid 1NT now I will still normally find my major suit fit if I have one, and they might not have a proper diamond suit anyway. I have extras to make up for the flaw in missing a stopper. If LHO bids 3D over dble and 1NT, you are much happier if you started with 1NT. That said, dble is also fine. North should dble 2D for t/o. He has a decent hand to defend 2dx if his partner wants to pass it, and is playable in both majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I hope you alert your 1NT overcalls if it is literally any balanced 15-17 hand. Anyway, double WTP here. You are allowed to overcall 1NT on hands with flaws, that is not alterable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Strange land, that where you alert natural bids.There is a case for alerting highly unusual treatments, natural or not. Online I would certainly alert 1NT if I have the partnership understanding that it does not promise a stopper. Anyway, I dunno which jurisdiction OP plays in so I have no opinion about whether he must alert it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Strange land, that where you alert natural bids. I believe that, in most jurisdictions, you have to alert some natural bids - e.g. 1N-P-2C if natural, or 1C-P-1S if natural NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 You are allowed to overcall 1NT on hands with flaws, that is not alterable. Alerting regulations differ by location. Also, there is a difference between occasionally deciding to overcall 1NT with a "flaw", and your 1NT overcall being made without regard to your honour distribution. I strongly feel that this should be alertable, as it is very unusual and will greatly affect oppo's actions, and most oppo will never think to ask. Indeed, most of its successes will come from not having told oppo that you might hold this hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 These hands with extras are really tough to show if you start with a dble and lho doesn't have the good grace to be silent.Or even if he does. There's no obvious way to show this hand after either 1♦-dbl-pass-1♠or 1♦-dbl-pass-2♣ Even 1♦-dbl-pass-1♥ pass-2♥isn't a great description, because it understates the high cards and overstates the shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Or even if he does. There's no obvious way to show this hand after either 1♦-dbl-pass-1♠or 1♦-dbl-pass-2♣ Even 1♦-dbl-pass-1♥ pass-2♥isn't a great description, because it understates the high cards and overstates the shape. If pd responds 1♠ or 2♣ to the double , I think the best course of action is Pass.If however the hand was stronger (♥A instead of ♥Q) the standard way to proceed is 2♦ which shows a strong hand with only 3 card support (or any GF hand to be clarified later). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 If however the hand was stronger (♥A instead of ♥Q) the standard way to proceed is 2♦ which shows a strong hand with only 3 card support (or any GF hand to be clarified later).Is anyone else familiar with this 2 way cue bid? I have only been playing for 39 years, and I never heard that double followed by a cue bid showed a strong hand with 3 card support for partner's suit (or a GF hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Is anyone else familiar with this 2 way cue bid? I have only been playing for 39 years, and I never heard that double followed by a cue bid showed a strong hand with 3 card support for partner's suit (or a GF hand).I would say it could also be a raise to two and a half spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I agree with Helene, the cuebid in that sequence shows one of several hand types, and since it's forcing you should be able to show exactly what you have. Back to the OP's question, I DBL 1♦. 1♣ doesn't promise a suit, so I don't mind bidding 1NT there without a stopper; 1♦ usually promises a suit, and we don't have a stopper. Therefore, I treat it as a balanced (13+) - 17 and will raise partner, but not get excited unless (s)he shows me extras along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Well opposite a double your partner normally jumps with 10+ (that's standard, I think). So holding as much as 16 HCPs you can safely pass because partner didn't jump, therefore game is not there. This hand, however, contains 17 HCPs which means that you could easily be missing game if it goes: 1♦-DBL-Pass-1♠-Pass-Pass-Pass I wasn't happy bidding 1NT with the hand, but I decided to chance it for lack of a better alternative. As it turns out, my partner didn't materialize with the hoped-for stopper, nor with a transfer, nor with enough strength to Stayman. Thankfully I still didn't get burned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Thankfully I still didn't get burned.No, your choice didn't burn you on this hand; your partner did. In a reasonable field, you would get no matchpoints; at teams you get no imps. Your partner had chances to get you +110 in 2H or plus 300 defending 3D. Instead you get +100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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