dcrc2 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 It's not easy to score -70 IMPs in a 24-board Butler pairs, but we managed it last night. This was the most amusing of our many disasters: [hv=pc=n&s=sakq975hakqt96dc5&n=sh872daj8cqjt9864&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2cp2dd2sp3cp3hp4hp4np5cp7hppp]266|200[/hv] Would LHO make the mistake of leading the suit that her partner had doubled? Sadly not - she held ♣AKxx and naturally felt that this might be a better shot. I confess to being opener on this hand, and perhaps my bidding was influenced by already being on about -55 by this point. But still, it all felt a bit unlucky. How would you get this right? You are playing with a good partner but without extensive agreements; cue-bids would generally show either first or second round control. The 2♦ response was an almost-forced relay (maybe not best here but that was the system); 5♣ showed 1 or 4 key-cards. (And yes, I know perfectly well that you don't generally bid Blackwood with a void, so please don't tell me that unless you're going to offer a better idea.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 Yes, using blackwood with a void is usually wrong. This hand shows exactly why: the ace in your void suit may not help you. Instead, cuebidding over 4♥ will work. 4♠, partner bids 5♦, and already you know you are off the ♣A and can stop in 6♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 I open 1S then rebid 6H with hands like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 I open 1S then rebid 6H with hands like this.So that your partner knows which minor-suit ace would be useful to you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 I open 1S then rebid 6H with hands like this.No, you can open 1♠ and rebid 6♥ on AKQJxx, KQJ10xx, A, void where partner knows what to do with the A♥, but as Gordon said, you don't do it on this hand where one minor suit ace is useful and the other isn't, and partner has no clue which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 very simple: 2C 2D(gf)3H(both majors, at least 5-5) 4D(cue, agreeing H, denies C control)6H. It's not easy to score -70 IMPs in a 24-board Butler pairs, but we managed it last night. This was the most amusing of our many disasters: [hv=pc=n&s=sakq975hakqt96dc5&n=sh872daj8cqjt9864&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2cp2dd2sp3cp3hp4hp4np5cp7hppp]266|200[/hv] Would LHO make the mistake of leading the suit that her partner had doubled? Sadly not - she held ♣AKxx and naturally felt that this might be a better shot. I confess to being opener on this hand, and perhaps my bidding was influenced by already being on about -55 by this point. But still, it all felt a bit unlucky. How would you get this right? You are playing with a good partner but without extensive agreements; cue-bids would generally show either first or second round control. The 2♦ response was an almost-forced relay (maybe not best here but that was the system); 5♣ showed 1 or 4 key-cards. (And yes, I know perfectly well that you don't generally bid Blackwood with a void, so please don't tell me that unless you're going to offer a better idea.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 Open 4NT, specific ace ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 You can just bid 6D over 4H. For me this would be a GS try with a diamond void, Partner should be expected to raise to grand with any key card that is not in diamonds, and probably with the K of spades. It carries very clearly the message that you have one loser and it isnt in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 good opponents on this hand will have the auction come back to you at 5D/6D if you open 2C. Yes it'd be nice if partner had the ace and ur auction would go unobstructed, but it just wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Open 4NT, specific ace askI thought this, but without either major suit jack, don't you look a bit silly if partner flops void, Jxx the wrong way round in the majors ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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