another multi question

[Fluffy]

Supose the bidding goes, with opponents passing:

 

2♦-2♥

2♠

 

 

What do 2NT, 3♣, 3♦, 3♥ and 3♠ mean now?

[MrAce]

2♦--2♥

2♠

 

2NT = ogust or stiff asking or feature whatever you choose.

3m= Depends on what direct 3m would mean

 

3♥= Invitation 6+ ♥ hand.(Some play it forcing) It may sound strange that a hand like this would bid 2♥, but it actually is not. When u have a ♥ holding that makes it impossible for pd to have weak ♥ this is the only way to keep ♥ suit in picture since 3♥ would be preemptive. Some may argue that with this hand responder could bid 2♠, but unfortunately 2♠ is NF and pd will pass, while we can be cold for 4♥.

 

x AQTxxx AK xxxx for example, you would like to play 4♥ if pd has a fit.

 

Of course u may choose not to play this in fear of playing 2♥ when have 6-6 fit and opponents would just pass it out. It just wont happen unless you abuse this treatment.

[mich-b]

We play :

2NT = Inivite to 4♠

3♣, 3♦ = signoff (3m response to 3♦ would be forcing)

3♥ = natural, 6+ cards , forcing.

3♠ = non invitational.

 

But I have been thinking that perhaps slightly better is :

2NT = both minors.

3♦ = Invite in ♠ (Since we could pass 2♦ if we really wanted to play there)

[Fluffy]

Seems you both think 3♥ is at least invitational strong, MrAce even put a hand very very similar to what I held yesterday (x AKxxxx AQxx xx), I think we use 3m over 2♦ artificially, but we can pass 2♦.

 

Couldn't 3♠ be invitational now? doesn't seem like the opponents will get to the 4 level now if we pass althou we've seen more rare* things, perhaps they aren't likelly enough to take care of them.

 

 

*: English question: "more rare" doesn't sound very right to me, is it correct?

[Free]

I play the following (our multi is weak only):

2NT = weak with both minors, void ♠

3m = signoff, void ♠

3♥ = good hand, natural (same as 2♦-2♠-...-3♠)

3♠ = INV with ♠

 

I don't feel the need to play anything else, except perhaps 2NT as a relay to ask for shortage (after 2♦-2♠ opener can show shortage when he has ♥, this has proven to be quite useful).

[Gerben42]

2NT: Invite to 4♠

3m: Natural not forcing but constructive

3♥: Invitational with good suit

3♠: Blocking bid (4th seat couldn't bid a ♠ T/O before)

[whereagles]

When I used to play the multi, 3♥ was "I really have hearts. Pls pass."

 

The others I never bothered to define, so by meta-rules they would be natural and NF. NF because if it were forcing, I'd have bid them directly over 2D already.

[mich-b]

When I used to play the multi, 3♥ was "I really have hearts. Pls pass."

 

 

If you arrange opener's rebids after responder bids 2NT , in such a way that the eventual 4M (or 3M) contract is played by the responder, you get as as a side benefit , the possibility to play in 3♥ , when the opener actually had ♠s , and responder has ♥ and wants to signoff there.

 

Something like :

2♦ - 2NT

3♥ = min weak 2 in ♠ etc....

[kgr]

2NT: Invite to 4♠

3m: Natural not forcing but constructive

3♥: Invitational with good suit

3♠: Blocking bid (4th seat couldn't bid a ♠ T/O before)

Same, but with 3♥ undefined.

(I don't think we want to define it because we normally don't bid 2♥ with ♥-length)

[gnasher]

*: English question: "more rare" doesn't sound very right to me, is it correct?

No, it should be "rarer".

 

Regarding your main question, I agree with Gerben.

[Finch]

Well some of this depends on your possible responses to the multi last round.

I play 2NT as lebensohl in response to 2D: either to play in 3m, or invitational with my own major, or to offer choice between 3NT and 4 partner's major

(3C is the INV+ relay, 3D is FG with 5-2 or 5-3 majors)

 

So for me 2D - 2H - 2S - 3H is weak, because invitational with hearts would have bid 2NT last round.

2NT is invitational with a spade fit

3C/3D are weak, didn't bid 2NT last round because they had a (partial) heart fit e.g. 1336 or so.

 

I never have these auctions, because either one of the opponents has always bid by now, or 2S is going to get passed out in a misfit.

[piratepete]

My partnerships prioritize exploring for ♠ contracts at this point, rightly or wrongly:

 

2NT: leb, to sign off in 3m/3♥ or invite in ♠

3♣: range- and shape-asking

3♦: gf, asking in first instance about quality of spade suit, sets up asking bids

3♥: no agreement, must be forcing as 2♦-2♥-2♠-2NT-3♣-3♥ available

3/4♠: defensive

[manudude03]

I play 2NT as ogust and new suits are invitational. 3S is pre-emptive (3145?)