MrAce Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s9hdakq82cakqt874&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=pp]133|200[/hv] How do u plan to bid this hand, or do you just blast it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) maybe too optimistic, but at the table I would let the minor suits take care of themselves; set clubs as trump to find out about the spade Ace; and then blast. 2C-2D (waiting)3C...partner must show any aces. If she shows the heart ace, an asking bid in spades will follow. If she shows the spade ace and the heart ace, dunno if I will gamble 7NT or not. Edited September 12, 2011 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I might just blast it. It would be interesting to open 1♣ and then bid 5♦, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 It'd be amusing to actually bid 2C-2D7D with a hand not completely inappropriate for it, just to see the look on partner's face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 This is what you get for playing in a ghoulash event... IF you have a sequences where you can ask for specific aces, use it and bid 6 or 7 clubs depending upon the reply. Since this hand falls into the MisIry category, I will tell how the auction would go using that method (I have a specific ace auction I could use instead, and would use that). South would open 3♦ showing a weak hand with hearts OR a strong hands with diamonds and a black suit. The auction will probably become competitive in here, but no matter. I will plan on rebidding 6♣. This is not the best of all auctions, but it says that I have a diamond-club two suiter and only one loser. This one loser is not in the lowest side suit (this reminds me that the draft misiry notes, I did some cut-and-paste in the table of rebids and sometimes where it talks about losers in the lowest side suit it says "clubs" when it should be lowest side suit. The text is correct describing how it works, but the table "wrong" as noted). Sadly, I may have AK of hearts doubleton and a void in spades, needing the club ACE. So here partner with the spade ace is poorly placed to know if it is working. Hands like this are thus better suited for specific ace asking and risk clubs being solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 This is what you get for playing in a ghoulash event.... This was not from a goulash event. It was from a regular teamgame held by worldclass players. South is known to be extremely conservative player. He found the winning bid. Other table played 6♣ for -1 [hv=pc=n&s=s9hdakq82cakqt874&w=skj8754hj6dj765cj&n=saq63hkt97432d94c&e=st2haq85dt3c96532&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=pp5cppp]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Actually he didn't find the winning bid, 6♦ is the winning bid, but there's only one man in this world who'd find that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Actually he didn't find the winning bid, 6♦ is the winning bid, but there's only one man in this world who'd find that. Who ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Actually he didn't find the winning bid, 6♦ is the winning bid, but there's only one man in this world who'd find that.:) Don't mention the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 :) Don't mention the war. Not even a link to the old thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Who ?Can you say: Spingold ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I can see a way of arriving at the magic 6♦ contract. In the original version of Romex, a 4NT opening bid shows a monster 56/65 minor suited hand with two major suit singletons and 11 playing tricks. If someone were playing such a method and were misguided enough to open this hand 4NT (despite its obvious flaws) responder might place the contract in 6♦. How would you like to be on the receiving end of that auction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 A world class player who held this hand and opened 5C? Not sure I believe this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I think he meant a world class GIB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'd probably open 6C because I can't imagine passing the N hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'd probably open 6C because I can't imagine passing the N hand.No, but I can imagine N passing with a couple clubs and the spade bullet. This is not placing cards, this is checking for cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 If you have a tool to check for the spade ace, by all means use it. Otherwise this is probably a case where it's best to play the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 The tool for checking specific aces is as old as it can be, and i still use it. In the notes of Bobby Goldman's Sayc opening 2♣ and then jumping in a new suit sets the trumps and asks for aces and kings. 2♣--2♦3♠-4x = Ace of x, 3NT = No Ace but king or kings, 4♠ = nothing, 4NT= same color 2 aces, 5♣ 2 major or minor aces, 5♦ mixed 2 aces So on this hand he can bid 2♣--2♦4♣--4♠ etc etc, after learning the ace u can investigate K or Q situation if available... However Jimmy Cayne and Michael Seamon has their own agreements, they respond to 2♣ with controls so it is even easier for them. He may have bid the way he did for strategical reasons perhaps , i dont know tbh. And no, it was not GIB, he was Jimmy Cayne who opened 5♣. Those who thinks i am making up a story for some reason can check from hand records, its available for everyone. http://www.bridgebase.com/points/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 If this bid was made from anyone else on the Cayne Match it would be obvious that someone was cehating there again, but I don't think Cayne cheats himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I am not sure exactly how good Cayne is, and I don't care to speculate about it. I find this 5C call really strange though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I can see a way of arriving at the magic 6♦ contract. In the original version of Romex, a 4NT opening bid shows a monster 56/65 minor suited hand with two major suit singletons and 11 playing tricks. If someone were playing such a method and were misguided enough to open this hand 4NT (despite its obvious flaws) responder might place the contract in 6♦. How would you like to be on the receiving end of that auction? Well, MisIry ends up in 6♦ as well. The auction would be..... 3D (heart preempt or strong D + black suit) 3NT (attempt to play in heart is partner has strong two suiter) 6C (minor two suiter, one loser, no need for heart cover card) 6D (crap. lack of fit may create new losers even if spade ace is working) Pass The 3NT bid is used with hands you want to play 3NT in, or in hands like this one where you want to play in the suit partner "presumably" preempted in when you know he doesn't hold that suit because it is your suit. Again this is documented in that misiry PDF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 I remember this hand as Jec's hand in one of his matches. I commented at the time that I would open it with a regular partner as a 3NT bid asking partner to bid the suit of his lowest Ace. If LHO bids a suit, an X by partner shows the Ace of that suit, pass shows no Ace and a bid suit shows the Ace of the suit and denies lower suit aces and the ace of the preempt suit. If LHO passes partner bids his suit Ace and 4NT for no Ace of a suit. After partner passes or bids the lowest NT bid other than 6 or 7 NT asks for a higher suit Ace or a King of a lower suit (in that order of preference). This bid rarely comes up in my partnership but I find it is very valuable for Goulash type hands like this where everybody else is simply guessing. Every time it has come up in the last 5 years, about twice a year, I have gotten a top on the board. As I have no other use for a 3NT opener, I find a Gambling 3NT opener, is both useless as a preempt, easy to bid against, (X for the majors, minor 4 bid for major-minor 2 suiter), easy to defend against, (lead an Ace or King, look at dummy, continue or switch accordingly) and very very rare. I have had a classic Gambling 3NT opener once in the past 5 years. The hand is very very unlucky, in that what looks like the best contract (6 or 7 ♣) from your hand goes down from a horrendous split. I admit that I would have been in 7 ♣ probably down 2 because of the splits. But the 5 ♣ punt by Jec as I recall was really really lucky and definetly an underbid.If I had no agreement or with a pickup partner I would probably punt 6 ♣. Just my thoughts, Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 If you have a tool to check for the spade ace, by all means use it. Otherwise this is probably a case where it's best to play the odds. I think if you did a simul you would find the winning call is 6♣ followed by 6♦ (assuming you were allowed only one call) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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