Flem72 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Playing WNT and 2/1, what is your rebid with KxxKTxxxAKJTx after you open 1C and partner bids 1S? Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 2s sometimes I am max for a bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 2♥ for me. I'm ok with 2♣ as well, but prefer the light reverse with this sexy hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 2♠, partner already expects extras in form of HCP or distribution. Hopefully you have a method to distinguish between 3 and 4 card raises, but even without I think 2♠ is theoretically superior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'm with the underbidder and others: 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Don't many weak NT-ers promise 4 spades no matter what when they raise? If so, we probably need to choose between 1NT (intending to show 15-17 balanced with 3 spades) and 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 This is a tough one for the Kokish-style weak notrump, in which 2♠ shows 4 card support. This approach works extremely well when one has 4 card support, but causes problems on hands like this one. I play this style with 2 partners, and would bid 2♣ with each. It helps, to a modest degree, that we play meckwell such that we are not going to miss a 4-4 heart fit....he will have the values to bid over 2♣ if he has 4 hearts. The only time this costs is when we belong in spades and can't get there because he passes 2♣. It helps that an immediate 2♠ would have been a wjs. To me it is clear to raise to 2♠ if it is systemically possible. If not, and if you don't play meckwell and wjs 2♠, you really are stuck, but I would go with 2♣ anyway...so long as we get by this round, we may be able to catch up later, while if we reverse, we'll never persuade partner we are a full K or even an Ace light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I hope 1♠ didn't show spades... 1♥ would be a much better bid for that. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Undoubtedly, xfer responses would clear up the number of spades on the first rebid. Don't know how common that excellent style is in 2/1 or Standard, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I think the best lie is probably 2♠ even if they are expecting 4. When I put down the dummy I will just say "Good luck, Sonny" :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 2S for me. You certainly cannot bid 2H as you don't have the strength to reverse. It is not a "lie", Pooltuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Ron, ye bean-counter :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Don't many weak NT-ers promise 4 spades no matter what when they raise?Not in my experience.If so, we probably need to choose between 1NT (intending to show 15-17 balanced with 3 spades) and 2♥.In those circumstances, I would have thought 2♣ would be the least twisted rebid. But I agree with the majority that 2♠ is the standout rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 I would rebid 1NT making an undisciplined raise of 2♠ playing strong no trump. But playing weak NT, I don't know, 2♠ if your system allows, otherwise 1NT, 2♣ is fine I guess but I don't wanna miss my 5-3 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 2S for me. You certainly cannot bid 2H as you don't have the strength to reverse. It is not a "lie", Pooltuna. okay. What word would you use to describe a call that is a card short of what your system notes say is promised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 2S would be a huge underbid, 4S has an excellent play facing Axxxx Qx xxx Qxx.2C is also very bad, suppose partner holds the above hand, it's also unclear to invite. Therefore, I probably vote for an overbid of 2H. Those two tens should be useful to play in 3NT when you don't have a 8 card S fit. Playing WNT and 2/1, what is your rebid with KxxKTxxxAKJTx after you open 1C and partner bids 1S? Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 okay. What word would you use to describe a call that is a card short of what your system notes say is promised?In this case, and given the weak NT structure, I would call it the best lie, or the least misdescriptive, or the best choice from among flawed bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 2S would be a huge underbid, 4S has an excellent play facing Axxxx Qx xxx Qxx.2C is also very bad, suppose partner holds the above hand, it's also unclear to invite. Therefore, I probably vote for an overbid of 2H. Those two tens should be useful to play in 3NT when you don't have a 8 card S fit. Our card at this game was K-S influenced; my partner is trying to get used to it. In that approach, 2H is completely kosher, b/c the hand values to 18ish opposite 5 or four good spades and R MUST bid 2S with 5+. Now, 3S shows precisely this range, 17-18ish with 3 cards. However, if R is very weak, s/he will bid 2N Ingbermanish to get out in 3D even with a stiff--whereupon O must decide whether to play 3S. So opposite QxxxQxxxQxxxx we might need some help. But neither I nor my K-Sish partners would ever underhold like that. I just know it. Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 I don't understand. Why is 2H forbidden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 I don't understand. Why is 2H forbidden?It is not forbidden. However, some might think overstating values to reverse into a suit partner cannot have unless he also has an 8-card fit in spades might get the partnership beyond its level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 okay. What word would you use to describe a call that is a card short of what your system notes say is promised? My system notes don't promise 4. If yours do then it is a lie for YOU, but certainly not for everyody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 My system notes don't promise 4. If yours do then it is a lie for YOU, but certainly not for everyody. It is not a lie for me but the OP says 2♠ promises 4 in his system. I am advocating bidding 2♠ even tho it promises 4. And you should be trying to solve his problem because nobody here (well at least me) gives a sh-- how you play 2♠ in your system. Maybe you are suggesting the OP should modify his system...if so just SAY SO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 On going debate on just how "lite" a reverse should be played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) If the original poster just wanted to know what his system notes said about this sequence, presumably he could simply have read them for himself. Assuming that the question is "What's the best way to handle this type of hand?", I think it's best to bid 2♠. If you reverse on this hand you make the range of the reverse horribly wide. 2S would be a huge underbid, 4S has an excellent play facing Axxxx Qx xxx Qxx.I think that's worth a move after 1♣-1♠;2♠. You know you're opposite either a strong notrump or an unbalanced hand with clubs, and in the latter case Qxx is a pretty good holding. The problem is worse in a strong-notrump framework, where I'd still raise to 2♠ as opener, but would pass 2♠ with the miracle eight-count. On going debate on just how "lite" a reverse should be played. The answer should vary according to the system, but not in the way that some posters seem to think. Playing a weak notrump, 1♣-1♠;2♠ has a higher upper limit, so you should be less inclined to reverse on this shape than when playing a strong notrump. Edited September 15, 2011 by gnasher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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