cherdano Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa6h532dat732ca74]133|100|Scoring: MP1♦-(1♥)-1♠-(PASS)-?[/hv]You are playing 2/1, and 1♠ by partner is 100% forcing and shows 5+ spades. Do you have the agreement that 1NT does not imply a stopper? If so, will partner ask for stoppers on the way to 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I rebid 1NT reluctantly. It doesn't guarantee a stopper, but we like to have one :) Partner probably doesn't ask for a heart stopper on theway to 3NT. Down it goes, so it goes, we bid our games :) In real life, I open this hand 1NT. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I envision most of the posters will bid 1N, but its 2♣ for me. xxx isn't a stopper. If we are heading toward NT; let pard bid it. Like Al Roth used to say, if I can get by 2♣ I'll be in great shape. My 'sharp' hand suggests playing in a suit somewhere, and I don't like rebidding my ragged diamond suit or raising partner on my only ruffing value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 i'm with peter on this one... i rebid 1nt, it doesn't promise anything except the shape/range for the bid... and i'd have opened it 1nt to avoid this problem... true, maybe i'd have had other problems :) ... but i can live with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 1NT. You can always cue 2H later in search of a stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 2♠ 1. Partner has promised 5 spades, so we have a known 7 card fit2. With aces and spaces, the hand is suit oriented3. This bid will force the opponents to compete at the three level passing rather than opening is almost unthinkable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorchev Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I envision most of the posters will bid 1N, but its 2♣ for me. xxx isn't a stopper. If we are heading toward NT; let pard bid it. Like Al Roth used to say, if I can get by 2♣ I'll be in great shape. My 'sharp' hand suggests playing in a suit somewhere, and I don't like rebidding my ragged diamond suit or raising partner on my only ruffing value. This one looks right for me ... Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT... Pass with 6 controls and 5th suit, what's the name of your teacher? :) Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 The only possible bids here are 1NT and 2♣. You don't want to bid 2♦ and maybe play there in that horrid five card suit. Nor do you want to raise on this distriubtion. And cue bid with this? You got to be kidding. Once you eliminate 2♦ and 2♠, what is left? 2♣ and 1NT. 1NT is likely to put you in notrump with a suit oriented hand (if partner is, as expect, is short in hearts). 2♣ allows you three possible strains, clubs, diamonds and spades. Wouldn't it be great if you catch partner with 5-5 in the blacks with your two club bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 1NT to me, I am not sure if it promises a stopper, it may look extrange but this auction never happened to me :), what I am sure about is the meaning of 1X-1Y-X-p-1NT wich happens more often and promises just any 12-14 balanced without a bidable 4 card major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT...Free.... what happened, man? I thought you were a bidder. This hand has 3 Aces.... 6 controls... Passing is a crime in all systems except FP. Reminds me of the apocryphal (?) story of the American expert who passed with 3 Aces. His sneaky partner also passed with ten solid, hoping to walk the dog. After the hand was passed out one said to the other, "What did you have?". To which the expert replied, "Not much, just three Aces". I'm cancelling my trip to Antwerp now. Dwayne-erama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 2♣. I don't want to play 1NT on this hand, and I have no stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 1 NT (no stopper guaranteed!) To Free : If 3 aces are not an opening, what kind of 12 HCP do you open ?? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT... what a surprise, i thought you are one of those who like opening 10 hcp hand, this is 12 with a 5 cards and 3 aces, even the biggest underbider (me) cant pass it.29 zar points if i still remember how to count those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 2♠ 1. Partner has promised 5 spades, so we have a known 7 card fit2. With aces and spaces, the hand is suit oriented3. This bid will force the opponents to compete at the three level passing rather than opening is almost unthinkable Must be fun to play a free style like yours, i should try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I vote for 2C. If discussed with pd about this situation I may venture 1N. Hongjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 So you have 6 controls. Do you have any possibilities for tricks? Your 3 Aces, and that's it... As I said it depends on what system I play: in MOSCITO or any light opening system I'll open it without hesitation, and I'll take it as a propper hand, not garbage. However with this Vulnerability, scoring and playing 2/1, I don't feel the need to open this hand - 8 losers! Your partner will have 4 Kings and you'll go -3 in 3NT :P Most players will open this hand anyway, and if I would've done it, I'll rebid 1NT now... I don't need a stop for a 1NT bid when I'm in front of the overcaller. Partner should realize this, and bid accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT... Free, as a light opener you pass a three aces hand this time? Even rock sound player would open this i assure you:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 So you have 6 controls. Do you have any possibilities for tricks? Your 3 Aces, and that's it... Every expert (and non expert I would say) knows that aces are far more efficient than any other cards ! B) :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I open this hand 1♦ playing 2/1 without any regrets. I open it 1NT playing weak notrump without any regrets. It is true aces are worth only "one trick" but they also command the suit, winning that trick when it is most advantageous to our side. Change one of the aces to a king? I still open 1D or 1NT... :-) Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I'm with free, don't open a 10 looser hand. If i have to bid, i bid 1NT, if Partners 5+ ♠ are good, there is a good change to get 5♠ and my 2 Acces. Since P has 6HCP in ♠ at the most, there must be something in the side suits.So if we end up in 3NT and P does not have a♥ stop, we are down one. Sh** happens.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 So you have 6 controls. Do you have any possibilities for tricks? Your 3 Aces, and that's it... As I said it depends on what system I play: in MOSCITO or any light opening system I'll open it without hesitation, and I'll take it as a propper hand, not garbage. However with this Vulnerability, scoring and playing 2/1, I don't feel the need to open this hand - 8 losers! Your partner will have 4 Kings and you'll go -3 in 3NT :P Most players will open this hand anyway, and if I would've done it, I'll rebid 1NT now... I don't need a stop for a 1NT bid when I'm in front of the overcaller. Partner should realize this, and bid accordingly. Once upon a time, I used to pass with three bullets, using the same reasoning as Free.Three aces = three tricks, which didn't seem strong enough. Over time, I kept track of my results. Passing consistantly lead to bad scores. More specifically, those same aces that were only worth one trick in my hand were very powerful supporting partner's honors or as defensive tricks. Today, I'd open the hand in question playing anything but Roth Stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorchev Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 So you have 6 controls. Do you have any possibilities for tricks? Your 3 Aces, and that's it... As I said it depends on what system I play: in MOSCITO or any light opening system I'll open it without hesitation, and I'll take it as a propper hand, not garbage. However with this Vulnerability, scoring and playing 2/1, I don't feel the need to open this hand - 8 losers! Your partner will have 4 Kings and you'll go -3 in 3NT :) Most players will open this hand anyway, and if I would've done it, I'll rebid 1NT now... I don't need a stop for a 1NT bid when I'm in front of the overcaller. Partner should realize this, and bid accordingly. These are 3 ACES, how you can't PASS with that hand, that's CRAZY!!! Actually every A+A+K=5 controls should be opened, there are 6! I open this hand 1♦ playing 2/1 without any regrets. I open it 1NT playing weak notrump without any regrets. It is true aces are worth only "one trick" but they also command the suit, winning that trick when it is most advantageous to our side. Change one of the aces to a king? I still open 1D or 1NT... :-) Ben I absolutely AGREE with Ben! Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 What happened at the table? I chose 1NT. You will not be suprised to hear that partner had ♠KJxxx ♥JT ♦KQJ ♣KJx, that we ended up in 3NT (after 2♣-2♠- 3NT-P), and that LHO took the first 5 tricks with his ♥AKQxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 :) Partner had to verify your ♥ stopper ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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