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The same as over an opening 4. That is, spades and a minor, slam-invitational, but we can stop in 5.

 

To show a slam try with just spades, you have two routes:

- A direct 5

- 4NT (initially minors) followed by 5.

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The same as over an opening 4. That is, spades and a minor, slam-invitational, but we can stop in 5.

 

To show a slam try with just spades, you have two routes:

- A direct 5

- 4NT (initially minors) followed by 5.

 

I don't entirely agree with this. The other possible hand type you can have for a 5-heart bid is a 3-suiter slam force with a heart void. It's not the same as over a 4H opening, because when you have that hand you double 4H; however here you are forced to double 4H with random balanced values because you know you are opposite a strong NT and can't pass.

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I don't entirely agree with this. The other possible hand type you can have for a 5-heart bid is a 3-suiter slam force with a heart void. It's not the same as over a 4H opening, because when you have that hand you double 4H; however here you are forced to double 4H with random balanced values because you know you are opposite a strong NT and can't pass.

I think a direct 5NT should show the three-suiter. I don't think that's a standard agreement though.

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The same as over an opening 4. That is, spades and a minor, slam-invitational, but we can stop in 5.

 

To show a slam try with just spades, you have two routes:

- A direct 5

- 4NT (initially minors) followed by 5.

 

I didnt know 4N followed by 5S shows just spades? :( How standard is that? I guess its to distinguish hands with or without a heart control?

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is 4N clearly 2 places to play? I agree it should be but you can make a pretty reasonable case for needing a natural 4N bid.

 

I wondered that (I play more 4NT bids as natural than most) but I think you double with most 'natural' 4NT bids. That just leaves the hands with a long minor, but 4NT is a bit of a narrow target there.

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I didnt know 4N followed by 5S shows just spades? :( How standard is that?

 

Probably not at all - I think I was answering the question "What's best?" rather than "What's standard?". It is, however, consistent with how "everyone" plays

1NT 4 4NT pass

5 pass 5

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I've just found an email discussion from 2009, with the optimistic subject "Do you agree with these meanings after 4H with big spade hands?".

 

One suggestion was that 4NT-5m-5 should be a slam-force with five spades and six of the other minor. I countered with:

5H followed by 5NT = spades + a worse minor

5H then 6m = spades + a better minor with first-round heart control

4NT then 6om = spades + a better minor without first-round heart control

4NT then 5
= just spades, with a heart control

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