Phil Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 is? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Pick from the 3 suits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 forcing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Spades and a minor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Transfer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 No no, it is Superman ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Yamnats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) The same as over an opening 4♥. That is, spades and a minor, slam-invitational, but we can stop in 5♠. To show a slam try with just spades, you have two routes:- A direct 5♠- 4NT (initially minors) followed by 5♠. Edited September 8, 2011 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 5H is a bad bid. Can't be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Yes, it is probably the right idea to declare that a bid which you haven't seen or used before must be a bad bid. It saves a lot of effort trying to decide what the best use of the bid might be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
affe82 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Maybe a bad idea but I would think:4n- initial minors or spade slamtry with heart q.(follow up 5h void and one suiter in spades)5s- slamtry no heart q5hearts- void and a 2suiter in minors.5n-pick a slam-2places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 I had KTxxx Ax A AK9xx. No idea if pard was on the same wavelength when he bid 5N. Your call now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 ok, so I feel like we're in uncharted waters and someone has to take a flyer, wish there was a way around that but there just isn't. There's no way a non-world class partnership has these kinds of bids defined. I'm bidding 6H with the intention of playing 7 of a black suit. Actually im just bidding 7C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 I would also force to 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 The same as over an opening 4♥. That is, spades and a minor, slam-invitational, but we can stop in 5♠. To show a slam try with just spades, you have two routes:- A direct 5♠- 4NT (initially minors) followed by 5♠. I don't entirely agree with this. The other possible hand type you can have for a 5-heart bid is a 3-suiter slam force with a heart void. It's not the same as over a 4H opening, because when you have that hand you double 4H; however here you are forced to double 4H with random balanced values because you know you are opposite a strong NT and can't pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I don't entirely agree with this. The other possible hand type you can have for a 5-heart bid is a 3-suiter slam force with a heart void. It's not the same as over a 4H opening, because when you have that hand you double 4H; however here you are forced to double 4H with random balanced values because you know you are opposite a strong NT and can't pass.I think a direct 5NT should show the three-suiter. I don't think that's a standard agreement though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 is 4N clearly 2 places to play? I agree it should be but you can make a pretty reasonable case for needing a natural 4N bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 The same as over an opening 4♥. That is, spades and a minor, slam-invitational, but we can stop in 5♠. To show a slam try with just spades, you have two routes:- A direct 5♠- 4NT (initially minors) followed by 5♠. I didnt know 4N followed by 5S shows just spades? :( How standard is that? I guess its to distinguish hands with or without a heart control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 is 4N clearly 2 places to play? I agree it should be but you can make a pretty reasonable case for needing a natural 4N bid. I wondered that (I play more 4NT bids as natural than most) but I think you double with most 'natural' 4NT bids. That just leaves the hands with a long minor, but 4NT is a bit of a narrow target there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I didnt know 4N followed by 5S shows just spades? :( How standard is that? Probably not at all - I think I was answering the question "What's best?" rather than "What's standard?". It is, however, consistent with how "everyone" plays1NT 4♠ 4NT pass5♣ pass 5♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I've just found an email discussion from 2009, with the optimistic subject "Do you agree with these meanings after 4H with big spade hands?". One suggestion was that 4NT-5m-5♠ should be a slam-force with five spades and six of the other minor. I countered with:5H followed by 5NT = spades + a worse minor5H then 6m = spades + a better minor with first-round heart control4NT then 6om = spades + a better minor without first-round heart control4NT then 5♠ = just spades, with a heart control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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