jmcw Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sk2hakjtdj32caq32&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1c2s3sp3np6np]133|200|Matchpoints[/hv] Pass or bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 passI'm worried he has everything else ( and a long, nearly solid ♦suit ) EXCEPT for a ♠-stop ( ... like missing the ♠Ace ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I think the Long solid diamond suit and everything else but the spade ace theory is interesting. Not possible in my world, since 3D would be forcing and I am supposed to know if I have a spade stopper without him asking. Another reason that theory might not work is because I might have QJX of spades, and his 6NT would look silly in that case. So now, we are back to whether pard is already expecting about 17 because we play a weak NT, which I assume we do or I never could have only bid 3NT unless assured that pard already knows I have a biggie. If he does know that, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 3NT shows a weak NT. This is a misbid, opposite a GF raise we should invite slam with 4NT natural if that is available, or by cuebidding 4♥. Anyway, having bid 3NT is it obvious to raise 7NT. Partner showed a club fit, so we have 3 keycards for him, along with two useful kings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 ok, you must know the OP, but I didn't, and couldn't imagine 3NT with that hand, unless they already had a clue about opener's range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 6NT is not an invite to grand. Pass. It is too late to worry about opener's extras, he could have tried to show them earlier. Same for responder: if he were interested in grand he should not have skipped 3 levels of bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 pass, if p had any interest in my option, he could have asked me, e.g. by bidding 5NT, he did bid 6NT instead. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Please, show me one hand partner can have consistent with his bidding, where my 18 pointer is not important, when I could have held an 11 pointer. In doing so, make it a hand where he has to know he can make six opposite that 11 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farrnbach Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I see 6NT "to play", ok the 3S does not deny the S ace, but p has plenty of alternatives to look for a grand I expect him for a solid D suit as source of tricks with no S stopper (but why did o not raise S, if p is very short? ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 pass, ♠A is out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 -If pd is a sane person, there is only one hand that justifies his bid, if he has 19-20 hcp balanced hand. And he can not have this without ♠A. -He started 3♠ because he did not know yet where to play and from which side yet, if we held a random 12-14 hcp perhaps the lead would matter in 6 NT, and i can see his concern from my ♥ holding especially when he holds Ax(x) ♠. -He doesnt have long ♦s, or he would have started 3♦. He must have something like ATxQxAKQKJxxx AxxQxxAKQKJxx Anything less than this he has a 4NT bid. I think opponent was joking and we should be safe in grand. He could choose to be scientific and start with 4♣ over 3 NT to check if we have a ♥ control, i dunno why he did not, maybe he is a blaster, but i am bidding 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Just questions ... Could partner have asked for controls (aces) over 3NT? When partner forced to game why didn't I bid more than 3NT with my 18 hcp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 -If pd is a sane person, there is only one hand that justifies his bid, if he has 19-20 hcp balanced hand. And he can not have this without ♠A. -He started 3♠ because he did not know yet where to play and from which side yet, if we held a random 12-14 hcp perhaps the lead would matter in 6 NT, and i can see his concern from my ♥ holding especially when he holds Ax(x) ♠. -He doesnt have long ♦s, or he would have started 3♦. He must have something like ATxQxAKQKJxxx AxxQxxAKQKJxx Anything less than this he has a 4NT bid. I think opponent was joking and we should be safe in grand. He could choose to be scientific and start with 4♣ over 3 NT to check if we have a ♥ control, i dunno why he did not, maybe he is a blaster, but i am bidding 7.Why wouldn't he bid 4♣ instead of 6NT with these hands? There may be a much better minor suit slam, and he'll have more room to investigate grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Why wouldn't he bid 4♣ instead of 6NT with these hands? There may be a much better minor suit slam, and he'll have more room to investigate grand. I already explained it, i would have bid 4♣ but pd did not. Not bidding 4♣ with this is not as weird as bidding 6 NT with anything less than this ;) He could choose to be scientific and start with 4♣ over 3 NT to check if we have a ♥ control, i dunno why he did not, maybe he is a blaster, but i am bidding 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 7NT for me. I agree that 3NT was a misbid and 4NT would have been correct. I don't see how partner can bid this way without the SA, after all, my 3NT could have been on QJx or similar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 7NT for me. I agree that 3NT was a misbid and 4NT would have been correct. I don't see how partner can bid this way without the SA, after all, my 3NT could have been on QJx or similar.In fact, my majors could have been ♠QJx ♥KJTx, and I would still have extras for a weak NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 lol @ not bidding. Partner forced to slam rather than invite slam opposite what could be a 12 or 13 count, his hand should be better than ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 If we opened a weak NT with this hand and partner bid 6N would you guys not bid 7? I mean, lol, obviously it sucks that we miscounted our points but we are allowed to correct that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Obvious raise. A dozen posters above already said why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I hope OP posts partner's hand ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Just questions ... Could partner have asked for controls (aces) over 3NT? When partner forced to game why didn't I bid more than 3NT with my 18 hcp? Only a few games played with this partner, his tendancy is to overbid. Answers: Over 3NT, 4♣ would be Ace askingAgree 4NT is better. Partner held Ax Qx AKQxxx JTx I dont know why he did not bid 3♦. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 As Justin says, the only reason we bid 3NT last round is that we must have miscounted our points by an ace (or more). Now we just look embarrassed and raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Can partner have Axx xxx AKQ10x Kx, in which case 7♦ will be better? I think that is what I will bid, and my expert partner will correct to 7NT if it is wrong. [You cannot be serious - Ed.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 We can find a lot of hands where partner has failed to bid 3D, failed to bid 4NT over 3NT, or was just plain being froggy. Some of them even might go down in 7NT on a bad day. But having misbid so badly myself on the previous round, I don't think I will look for partner to have done the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Can partner have Axx xxx AKQ10x Kx, in which case 7♦ will be better? I think that is what I will bid, and my expert partner will correct to 7NT if it is wrong. [You cannot be serious - Ed.] Why would partner show a game forcing club raise with Kx of clubs? Personally, I would show a GF with diamonds and bid 3D with that hand! Also, why would partner force to slam opposite a likely weak NT with a 1N opener? Some strange views in this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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