MrAce Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=skqthaj542dt8c632&d=w&v=e&b=16&a=3c4dp]133|200[/hv]Imps, 4♦ was leaping michaels 5+♦ and 5+ Major strong hand, plan your bidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I'm bidding 4♥ and passing the expected 4♠. I would need a ♣ control to consider any other action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 4H. If p converts to 4S, I may start to consider trying for slam, most likely I wont, but I may start thinking about slam. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 4H for correction and I don't plan in going any further unless pard gets happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I think I would try 4♥ and raise partner's 4♠ to 5. Three cover cards is a lot.Of course this also risks a pass when partner has hearts. Maybe that's not so bad, since the ♠KQ isn't quite as valuable in that case. Would 5♥ be an unambiguous pass-or-correct invitation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I think if partner has hearts he is mega likely to be short in clubs. I think one should be making a slam move, but I dont know which one. I would not be over worried about a club control, sure it can happen that the oppos have an undisclosed 9 card spade fit, but it seems more likely that their fit is in their seven card suit. I lot depends on your leabing micheals style. ANd your double and bid style. Would people double and bid with: Ax KQxxx AKxxx x? FOr me this is about the least I would consider for a leaping micheals, especially at this vul. I know that with this shape some would dble 3c then bid hearts to show a flexibly hand with 5 hearts. And some would only bid 3H with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 ANyone have a strong feeling about whether 4N-5d-5M is different from 5c-5d-5M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I think that a direct 5♥ is a pass-or-correct slam invitation without club control. 5♣-5♦-5♥ shows the same hand with a club control. I'm not sure what 4NT should mean here. In the the only partnership where I've discussed it, we agreed 4-ace Blackwood, but it could also be played as a slam try in something. In either case, 4NT-5♦;5♥ is a pass-or-correct signoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I think 4N is a slam try in diamonds with no club control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 This was actually my pd's hand, and i had AJ742QAJ953AK I actually bid 4♣ over 3♣ because he doesnt play leaping michaels, i showed strong 2 suiter of any kind, he bid 6♥ which i corrected to 6♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 It's better to play 4♣ as ♦+M, 4♦ as majors. Over 4♣ you bid 4♦, asking for the major. 4M is natural. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 It's better to play 4♣ as ♦+M, 4♦ as majors. Over 4♣ you bid 4♦, asking for the major. 4M is natural. I like that, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Just to clarify, I meant that 3♣-4♣-p-4M is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Seems like there is merit to more artificiality in those responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Well don't you want to know opener's major with just about all hands that are interested in slam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Sure, but it would be nice to be able to show slam-interest values and still be able to stop in 4M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Off the top of my head, 4D showing either no slam interest or a slam force or a slam try in diamonds wanting to know partners major (partner bids his major), 4H showing a slam try opposite hearts, 4S showing a slam try opposite spades, or a hand that wants to play either diamonds or force to slam opposite hearts. Something like that. I did not think about it much so I'm sure that can be improved upon a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Justin, I "solve" that problem by having 2 bids for two-suiters. (3♣) 4♦ = D+M, 4+ losers(3♣) 4NT = D+M, 3- losers Maybe not ideal, but hey what else do you want the 4NT bid for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Justin, I "solve" that problem by having 2 bids for two-suiters. (3♣) 4♦ = D+M, 4+ losers(3♣) 4NT = D+M, 3- losers Maybe not ideal, but hey what else do you want the 4NT bid for?I quite like the idea of being able to play in four of a major when I have three losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Off the top of my head, 4D showing either no slam interest or a slam force or a slam try in diamonds wanting to know partners major (partner bids his major), 4H showing a slam try opposite hearts, 4S showing a slam try opposite spades, or a hand that wants to play either diamonds or force to slam opposite hearts. Something like that. I did not think about it much so I'm sure that can be improved upon a lot. I think that your most likely slam-try type is a hand with a couple of high cards that can't safely go beyond four of a major, but wants to show some values in case partner happens to have a very good hand. So I would play: 4♦ = asking for the major, either a mild slam try or a slam force4M = pass or correct, either a signoff hand or a slam try in the other major Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I quite like the idea of being able to play in four of a major when I have three losers. well, up the boundary to 2- and 3+ then. But then you have 4D = 3-5 losers, perhaps to wide a range4NT= 0-2 losers, which comes out once in a blue moon the 3-5 losers range might be a bit too wide, so you might not be solving the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 4♦ = asking for the major, either a mild slam try or a slam force4M = pass or correct, either a signoff hand or a slam try in the other major I like this method, and it feels natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 well, up the boundary to 2- and 3+ then. But then you have 4D = 3-5 losers, perhaps to wide a range4NT= 0-2 losers, which comes out once in a blue moon the 3-5 losers range might be a bit too wide, so you might not be solving the problem. Using 4D for diamonds plus a major is already terrible imo. With a great hand you can always bid more after partner's response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Using 4D for diamonds plus a major is already terrible imo. With a great hand you can always bid more after partner's response. Well, if you don't like natural bids why don't you take up strong club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Well, if you don't like natural bids why don't you take up strong club? Thats not what he meant. It had nothing to do with him liking natural bids or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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