jillybean Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Here's a couple of hands from the club tonight... #14 MP NV you hold AKJ65, KJ863, Void, AK4(P) 1♠ (P) 3N (P) ? #22 MP Vvs.N you hold 84, AKQJ962, Q87, A1♥ (2N) 4♠ (4N)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porreankel Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Here's a couple of hands from the club tonight... #14 MP NV you hold AKJ65, KJ863, Void, AK4(P) 1♠ (P) 3N (P) ? #22 MP Vvs.N you hold 84, AKQJ962, Q87, A1♥ (2N) 4♠ (4N)? Hi there #14Pretty hard... I really like that you do not open 2c with theese kind of hands though!Now it comes down to your system agreements. What does 3N actually tell you ? In my book it's kind of a chance bid, since if partner had some strength he would prolly bid slower (The principial of slow arrival). If he indeed doesnt have much strength he might have a long dia suit - but you have to give more info about your system.I think I would bid 4h to play in a major.If your partner tells you something like 14-16HP with this bid - I suggest you agree to mid slower when holding a lot of points :-) #22Here I would have opened 2cYou have a 4 looser hand. As the biddings are now - I would bid 5sp - this will show some better hand, since you could have passed and bid 5sp when opp's had chosen their minor. RegardsJacob http://bridgetime.org/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 #14 3N is 13-15 4333 (I hate it) , my partner bid it to protect honor holdings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 #14 3N is 13-15 4333 (I hate it) , my partner bid it to protect honor holdings. Does 3N set spades as trump for any follow-ups? Such as, would 5D be voidwood here? If so, I like bidding 5D on the way to some slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Sorry Porreankel, but opening 2♣ on #22 is very bad, whereas it's possible on #14 (though I wouldn't do it). Anyway, if 3N shows 4=3=3=3 and 13-15 we surely want to head to slam. The question is how. I don't like 5♦ at all, you won't find out what you need to know. In fact I would prefer 4N as, if partner has the ♦A I won't need to worry about a club loser. But I think it's even better to try and give partner a picture of our hand and let him decide. Maybe if I cuebid 4♦ now, then cuebid 5♦ next, he will understand... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Sorry Porreankel, but opening 2♣ on #22 is very bad, whereas it's possible on #14 (though I wouldn't do it). Anyway, if 3N shows 4=3=3=3 and 13-15 we surely want to head to slam. The question is how. I don't like 5♦ at all, you won't find out what you need to know. In fact I would prefer 4N as, if partner has the ♦A I won't need to worry about a club loser. But I think it's even better to try and give partner a picture of our hand and let him decide. Maybe if I cuebid 4♦ now, then cuebid 5♦ next, he will understand...Doesn't 6♥ give him a perfectly good picture of your hand. He should know what to do with ♥AQ, the only issues would be being in 7 opposite ♥AQx and ♠xxx but that isn't a disaster yet (xxx, AQx, AKx, QJxx is laydown without the spades)or not being in 7♠ with the same hand with Q♠ and not Q♥ (but he might bid 7♠ anyway). On the other hand, what is 4♠ ? Normal over 2N is to have some arrangements about what 3♣/♦ show to distinguish between good and bad hands with major suit holdings, so 4♠ is unnecessary to show a good hand with spades. Why is partner preempting you ? I'd pass, if partner has a one loser spade suit and the A♦ or a stiff ♦ and a solid spade suit, then they should bid more constructively. Expect KQJ to 8 and out. Edited, missed the 4N bid on the second board, would have passed 4♠, now would X 4N. Tough hand, you want to X 5♦ but bid 5♠ over 5♣, and even 4♥ doesn't make if they find the spade ruff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Does 3N set spades as trump for any follow-ups? Such as, would 5D be voidwood here? If so, I like bidding 5D on the way to some slam.No, that is not part of our agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Here are the full hands [hv=pc=n&s=s984h97dk98632c75&w=st3haqtdajt74cqj2&n=sq72h542dq5ct9863&e=sakj65hkj863dcak4&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1sp3np6nppp]399|300[/hv] [hv=pc=n&s=s6h87dt6543ckt843&w=skqjt9532htdkcq75&n=sa7h543daj92cj962&e=s84hakqj962dq87ca&d=e&v=e&b=22&a=1h2n4s4n5hp5sdppp]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 On 14 I like 3nt to show a 4-3-3-3 shape and would likely just stab 6 hearts over that knowing we have to own or find 3 Queens. If your pard had bid 2♦ instead you have a shot at the grand. followed by 2♥ - 2nt 3♥ - 4♥ 4nt etc. On 22 I would have bid 5♣ over 4nt just in case pard has running spades and a diamond control. Should lead to 5 spades in the end and pard probably should have bid that on your auction.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I really don't like 6NT with a void. You must have a heart fit - hopefully p doesn't bid 3NT with 22(54). 6♥ is the right bid imho, lacking any mad science methods. P will bid 7 then. On the second one I like you auction. Your opps need to have a discussion on U2NT style, probably. Btw I agree with Michael that opening 2♣ is an option on the first hand but not on the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 #14 if the auction had started1♠:2♦2♥:2N3♥: is 4♥ enough here? #22 do you agree with 4♠ rather than 3♦ showing a gf ♠ hand, & why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 #14 - 6H, lack of a better bid. 7 maybe on, but I dont have a forcing call, and I dont want to hear a pass from p below slam level. #22 - 6H, they have told me, that p is short in diamonds, so I am bidding slam, again 7 may be on, but see my previous response. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 #14 if the auction had started1♠:2♦2♥:2N3♥: is 4♥ enough here? #22 do you agree with 4♠ rather than 3♦ showing a gf ♠ hand, & why?#14 4H is enough, opener is driving to slam, if he discovers a fit and GF values,even with the known wastage in diamonds. #22 I prefer 3D - the slower route, in the end this may not stop me from bidding6H anyway, but if they dont kill the complete 4 level, we may be able to show / deny SI. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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