mgoetze Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8763hak64dakt8c&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=p1sp1np]133|200[/hv] 1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 3♥. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 :P Yoicks! I think I would probably bid 2♦ and hope for the best. Anything could be the winning call. My second choice is 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 :P Yoicks! I think I would probably bid 2♦ and hope for the best. Anything could be the winning call. My second choice is 3NT.really? It is a pretty nice control hand. 3H, then 4D if pard bids 3S....and flip a coin if pard bids 3Nt between pass and 4D seems to be a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 This is a nice hand and they give a bonus for making games so I'll take my chances and GF with 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8763hak64dakt8c&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=p1sp1np]133|200[/hv] 1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort. If 3h aint standard ....sigh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Count me in on the GF 3♥ and I'm passing 3NT.It seems the least of evils...2♥ doesn't quite cut it, and raising NT with a void would not occur to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 This question has nothing to do with 2/1. It has everything to do with methods for rebids after a forcing 1NT. When I played with Dave Treadwell, we played that a 3♥ rebid guaranteed 5-5 or better in the majors. With 5-4 and a strong hand, the rebid was 3♣ (artificial), showing either 5-4 strong in the majors or 5-4 or better in spades and clubs. Responder would bid 3♦ and opener would bid 3♥ with 5-4 in the majors and something else with the black suits. It was my understanding from Dave that this treatment was not uncommon. With another partner, we play a rebid structure over a forcing 1NT. In this auction, 3♣ is artificial showing a game forcing one or two suiter. 3♦ or 3♥ would show a strong but not forcing hand with spades and the bid suit, 5-5. Without any special agreements, 3♥ is normal on this hand. But there are many who play other methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 3H for me also. Not playing anything special, 3H seems automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 This question has nothing to do with 2/1. It has everything to do with methods for rebids after a forcing 1NT. When I played with Dave Treadwell, we played that a 3♥ rebid guaranteed 5-5 or better in the majors. Without any special agreements, 3♥ is normal on this hand. But there are many who play other methods.Very true, but it was also Dave who recommended (1M) 3M to show a stopper in the major and ask pard to bid 3NT with a long running suit somewhere. Most people play "Reverse Treadwell", and we had to guess when he was really serious. However, without the gadgets you mentioned...unfortunately 3H is the default rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Very true, but it was also Dave who recommended (1M) 3M to show a stopper in the major and ask pard to bid 3NT with a long running suit somewhere. Most people play "Reverse Treadwell", and we had to guess when he was really serious. However, without the gadgets you mentioned...unfortunately 3H is the default rebid. Dave was rarely serious. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8763hak64dakt8c&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=p1sp1np]133|200[/hv] 1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort. ♥♥♥ It is never whatever, my dear ♥. We think you should have agreed that with partner. It might influence the further bidding. ♥♥♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 This question has nothing to do with 2/1. It has everything to do with methods for rebids after a forcing 1NT. And of course, the forcing 1NT has nothing to do with 2/1. Anyway, I know this hand can be better if you have methods. Personally I would have loved to be playing Gazzilli. But I wasn't when the hand came up, so I asked what the best bid is with no special methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 3♥ wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 3♥ now , maybe a problem on the next round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 3H seems canonical, though 2H might make our task easier next round (if there is one lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8763hak64dakt8c&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=p1sp1np]133|200[/hv] 1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort. The problem is that even a very weak perfecto has a great play for 6H or 6D, e.g., xx(QJTx)(Qxx)xxxx, and almost any good 1NTF hand, 9+, will make game (my partner would hold xx xxx xxx AKQxx :blink: ). But where are the Cs? I'm 90% expecting partner to do a drop-dead in Cs, so s/he may as well do it over 3H. Whatever, I'm calling 4D next, and hoping I don't hear 5C on xxxxxxKQxxxxx. Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 I'm not disputing that 3H is canonical with no particular methods, but I might bid 2H. Particularly if partner is in the 'respond on anything' camp. If he always has 6 HCP for 1NT, then OK I suppose 3H it is.I know I will look stupid opposite xx Qxxx QJxx xxx when both majors break and 12 tricks roll in, but this is my compromise in favour of getting to e.g. 6D easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 3♥ if playing nothing, 2NT GF otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Most have agreed to Opener's GF SJS of 3♥ . Now we are ready to see Responder's hand to see what his rebid should be . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Most have agreed to Opener's GF SJS of 3♥ . Now we are ready to see Responder's hand to see what his rebid should be .On the contrary, I was content to just see the replies based on the posters' experience with what works and what doesn't over the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Most have agreed to Opener's GF SJS of 3♥ . Now we are ready to see Responder's hand to see what his rebid should be . You can think up a few hands for responder and discuss them with your number one upvoter. Be sure to discuss the difference between a forcing and a semiforcing 1NT in depth, as she cares about that very much. Just remember that you should agree everything with your partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Most have agreed to Opener's GF SJS of 3♥ . Now we are ready to see Responder's hand to see what his rebid should be . You can think up a few hands for responder and discuss them with your number one upvoter. Be sure to discuss the difference between a forcing and a semiforcing 1NT in depth, as she cares about that very much. Just remember that you should agree everything with your partner. Most have agreed to Opener's GF SJS of 3♥ . Now we are ready to see Responder's hand to see what his rebid should be . aguahombre: " On the contrary, I was content to just see the replies based on the posters' experience with what works and what doesn't over the long run." Geesh...for crying out loud . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Seems to be a bit of a timewarp in your multiquotes; perhaps due to editing. My post was not in response to Mgoetze's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Seems to be a bit of a timewarp in your multiquotes; perhaps due to editing. My post was not in response to Mgoetze's.Editing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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