MrAce Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=s3hat943daqt83c82&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=3h4h6hdp7cppdppp]133|200[/hv] Imps, 4♥ was strong 2 suiter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 seems like one of those guesses. DA for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Ace of ♥. Declarer is either 7-6 or 6-6 and a singleton ♥. I cant imagine bidding 7 with no 1st Round control ind ♦, since diamonds will be lead like 90% of the time. If he is a poker player one may do it hoping p has the ace, but I do not think it is likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 It's hard to believe the auction. How can partner possibly have a double? A spade void seems inconceivable. I suppose a diamond void is possible if RHO has been very optimistic, but if diamonds are his second suit I can't see how he'll throw them all away. I think I'd lead ♦A anyway, in case RHO has done something weird with a one-suiter or a 4-7 shape, when it's just conceivable that his diamonds will go on spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Partner's double must be calling for a lead. He must be void in diamonds. I'll try the ♦A. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I'll lead a ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I agree with Andy that this is an auction that makes little, if any, sense. If N held the blacks, why not 6♠? Maybe he is 5=7/5=8 or even 6=7 with holes in spades. If N held the minors, think about how many spades S has to hold...how could he double 6♥? And how could N commit to a grand with at best KJxxx in his side suit and no reason to expect to get 5 pitches! Absent partner's double, I'd lead the heart A, playing partner to be 6=5/6=4 reds and north to be 5=1=0=7. This caters to S having the diamond K, and doesn't cost unless S has at least 6 spades. But partner doubled. So he has a void. If it is in diamonds, do we need to cash? Probably not. If S's spade suit were solid, wouldn't he bid 6♠? I just don't see N as holding diamonds. His suit can't warrant 7♣. And if he is, how is he taking 5 discards? It is possible, I suppose, but partner will have surprising spade length and how many entries does S hold? No, I think that N holds spades, as does S. I'm leading a spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 This was an interesting hand, i was South playing with Aaron Haspel, and the poor guy on lead was our very own Phil Clayton :P It is a hand that only a ♠ lead lets declarer make, or is it the only lead ? I think if we lead ♥ A or trump it may be harder for declarer to figure out pd's shape. Here is the 4 hands. At the table for some reason Phil's pd discarded a ♠ and ruined the fun on Phil's ♦ A lead. [hv=pc=n&s=sq6h7dkj976542c97&w=sj975hkqj8652dc64&n=sakt842hdcakqjt53&e=s3hat943daqt83c82&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=3h4h6hdp7cppdppp]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 how can he go down on the diamond lead? He overuffs, and pulls trump.....now he has a good count...is he really going to play W for 3=8=0=2 shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 how can he go down on the diamond lead? He overuffs, and pulls trump.....now he has a good count...is he really going to play W for 3=8=0=2 shape? Thats what i intended to say, ♦ leads seem not to make him gain a ♠ trick but giving away immediately pd's shape. ....It is a hand that only a ♠ lead lets declarer make, or is it the only lead ?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 OK, that's a believebale layout, and ♦A definitely makes things easier for declarer. Of course, declarer should get this right all by himself. The double suggests a void somewhere, and he can use his trump entry to ruff a diamond and confirm that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I thought my bidding decisions on this one were more interesting than my opening lead :) Regardless of what I lead, I think once Haspel ruffs a diamond, he'll get an ironclad count on the hand. I agree with what Timo is saying. If I do lead a heart, we can all see that ruffing a diamond reveals the 5-0, but would any of us really think to do this? Partner's spade discard was beyond bad, but after the diamond lead I think he gets it right anyway. Edit - I think it would have been interesting to present this as play problem. "You reach 7♣. RHO doubles and looks irritated when LHO tables the ♥A. Plan the play". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 OK, that's a believebale layout, and ♦A definitely makes things easier for declarer. Of course, declarer should get this right all by himself. The double suggests a void somewhere, and he can use his trump entry to ruff a diamond and confirm that. Very true. He may indeed do that. He may also think 3♥ opener doubled with 2 aces. After all it is hard to imagine EAST not doubling with 2 Aces or an Ace outside ♥ suit.(Phil did well on this) As MikeH said perhaps he may go for 3802 ? We will never know since oportunity was not given. ♠ lead though leaves no problem to deal. ♦ A kinda crates alarms for declarer and trump or ♥A requires a careful declarer. Although i never like to post freak hands and never reply to those topics, I thought that was an interesting hand, i hope u guys liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I can't imagine a good player ever going down on this hand after the double, as Andy says. A lazy player may go down without the double and on a heart or club lead, but no good player playing on his or her game ought to...the only issue is the spade suit, so why wouldn't one ruff the diamond? Maybe West flies the Ace and now there is a squeeze on the 4th spade and the diamond Q. Highly improbable of course, as is the actual shape, but when one has a zero cost minuscule chance to increase one's odds, it is simply poor play not to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Edit - I think it would have been interesting to present this as play problem. "You reach 7♣. RHO doubles and looks irritated when LHO tables the ♥A. Plan the play". You are absolutely right, though i kinda liked the lead because as oppose to most grandslam leads, this hands seems like to make it cold on only 1 lead (single dummy) while everyone tries to find the only lead that defeats, which doesnt exist against a careful declarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 The lesson here is: when in doubt, BID 7 HEARTS. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I can't imagine a good player ever going down on this hand after the double, as Andy says.I can imagine me going down in it. I can see now that it costs nothing to play a club to dummy, ruff a diamond, and then decide what to do, but I'm not sure that I would think of it at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 The lesson here is: when in doubt, BID 7 HEARTS. :P Because obviously when our RHO bids like this they have a gang void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Phil: RHO certainly has a red void. Half the time you're not going to guess which, so taking insurance might be statistically advantageous. And if he happens to have 2 voids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Phil: RHO certainly has a red void. Half the time you're not going to guess which, so taking insurance might be statistically advantageous. And if he happens to have 2 voids...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I'll lead a ♠ ♥♥♥Oh Oh, my dear ♥,Tell us why please...Not Olympia here. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif♥♥♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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