BunnyGo Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Your partner preempts in first seat, naturally you have a monster hand. Now what? [hv=pc=n&s=sk3ha97dkqj7cakqt&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=2sp]133|200[/hv] You're playing a Meckwell version of Ogust where the 3♣ response says it was a 5 card preempt. You've agreed that 4♣ is a modified key card. It's undiscussed what Ace ask you have available *after* an Ogust bid (suggestions are welcome). How do you bid this hand? If you bid Ogust he bids 3♦ showing bad hand bad suit 6 card suit. If you bid 4♣ the first time he bids 4♥ showing one keycard no queen. If you have other systems here, I'd be interested in hearing those if you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I like playing 4C as modified keycards also after the Ogust reply. After either ask it seems obvious to bid 4S. If partner has a 4-card minor we likely have a slam in that minor but there's no way to find out and 4S may be high enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Given that you don't have clear follow-up agreements to Ogust, I would just bid 4♣. If partner has a keycard and ♠Q, then slam is quite unlikely to be worse than needing a 3-2 break and avoiding a heart lead, and it could be laydown after you avoid the ♦ ruff at trick 2.Still, having Ogust+keycard available would be much better, opposite a bad spade suit you don't want to be in slam unless partner has two aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 :P 2NTPard needs almost the magic hand for six. Might as well see if he thinks he has it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 :P 2NTPard needs almost the magic hand for six. Might as well see if he thinks he has it.Agree with the bid, not sure about the comment, AQxxxx and a stiff heart or only 4 cards between hearts and clubs gives you decent chances, hardly magic, ditto A♦ and QJxxxx. The kicker may be where partner has something revolting like Qxxxxx, Q10, 10, Jxxx where 3N is solid but 4♠ is not guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Given that you don't have clear follow-up agreements to Ogust, I would just bid 4♣. If partner has a keycard and ♠Q, then slam is quite unlikely to be worse than needing a 3-2 break and avoiding a heart lead, and it could be laydown after you avoid the ♦ ruff at trick 2.If they're playing that version of Ogust, I think (especially white-on-red first seat) what you mean is "worse than needing a 3-*3* break and avoiding a heart lead"... Of course, if they're playing the (to my mind silly, but my partners insist) rule where a 5-card suit must be a max (good suit, outside card, not 5-3-3-2), then you're probably back in the game. But I'd expect a crappy 5-carder here more often than ♦A ♠QJxxxx or ♠AQxxxx ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I would give up after he showed the worst and 6 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 If they're playing that version of Ogust, I think (especially white-on-red first seat) what you mean is "worse than needing a 3-*3* break and avoiding a heart lead"...Good point, I didn't read that part. If partner has 5 spades though, I really fancy playing slam in his minor side suit (and I really hope he cannot be 5332). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Ask for key cards ASAP. With these methods, we can stop in 4♠ if North shows one key card without the trump queen, and I just have to hope partner doesn't have the ♦A and ♠QJ10xxx. We're putting down 6-7 tricks, the five level should be safe opposite anything remotely resembling a 2♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Your partner preempts in first seat, naturally you have a monster hand. Now what? [hv=pc=n&s=sk3ha97dkqj7cakqt&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=2sp]133|200[/hv] If you have other systems here, I'd be interested in hearing those if you prefer. Well, I have this response scheme. It's not optimal, but copes ok with systematic 5-card preempts. 2x 2NT3C = forget it. I have a BAD hand.3D = so-so hand, 5 cards3H = so-so, 6 cards3S = max hand, 5 cards3NT= cool hand, 6 cards. Could have opened 1x. Using this method I'd just wheel-off the relay and bid on opposite a max response. Using your methods I'm not sure what to do. Maybe I'd just ask the nr. of cards and sign-off in 3NT if pard has only 5 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Thanks for the comments. Here's the whole hand. We've now agreed that 4♣ modified KC is still available after Ogust. [hv=lin=pn|BunnyGo,LHO,CHO,RHO|st||md|3S3KH79AD7JQKCTQKA,S58QH368QD28TC27J,S2479TJH5JD46AC45,|rh||ah|Board 121|sv|e|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3D!|an|bad hand, denies 2 of top 3 !s|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pg||pc|CJ|pc|C4|pc|C3|pc|CA|pg||pc|SK|pc|S5|pc|S2|pc|SA|pg||pc|C6|pc|CK|pc|C2|pc|C5|pg||pc|S3|pc|S8|pc|S9|pc|S6|pg||pc|ST|pc|H2|pc|H7|pc|SQ|pg||mc|11|]400|300|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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