BunnyGo Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s732hakq52d86cj63&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=pp2d(weak)2s3d]133|200[/hv] What now? Would you have bid 1♥ or 2♥ the first time around? Edit: In response to bd71, this was on BBO IMP scoring with unknown opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 3♥ - 5 card suit, I'd have opened with 6 (yes I'd pass first time), probably vaguely at home in spades also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I think knowing pairs or teams is important here. Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable. While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I think knowing pairs or teams is important here. Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable. While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have. All of the above, especially the uncomfortable part. We are risking a 5-2 ♥ fit instead of a ?-3 ♠ fit in all circumstances but pard should probably play us for a ♠ tolerance. My next headache is if pard bids 3♠ over 3♥. I can give several reasons to open weak 2's on 5-card suits but given my track record on doing it you should do the opposite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 3S, I have a fit and not enough to bid game, keep it simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I think knowing pairs or teams is important here. Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable. While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have. 5332 is not the hand for it. Neither is second seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 For me this is near perfect for a 3H PHJSF. I dont believe in the standard requirement of 4 trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 PHJSF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 PHNJSF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 3S, I have a fit and not enough to bid game, keep it simple. Agreed. If we belong in 4♠ PD can carry on. It may look like we have quite alot for just bidding 3♠ but we have 3 small trumps and likely 2♦ losers since they are often 6-3-2-2 on this bidding. I agree with the initial pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I wouldn't have opened the hand.I'll bid 4♠ now. I assume partner has more than just an opening hand to overcall. Something like:♠AKQxx♥xx♦xx♣AQxx Lose 2 diamonds and probably a club.Of course if partner has ♦A then you can probably pitch diamonds on the good hearts. My answer would be different if I expected my partner to overcall any preempt on a bare minimum opener. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 What now? Would you have bid 1♥ or 2♥ the first time around? Now 3H. Being a passed hand, this tends to show some spade tolerance. I'm ok with 2H before. But find the hand a tad too weakish in defense for a 1H opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I agree with all of Justin's posts on this thread, perhaps most of all with the 'sigh'. For those who claim 3♥ has to show spades, that is true only if there are never any hands with long hearts with which you wouldn't open and may now want to bid hearts naturally. I know there are players who think like that....but I don't think it is standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 JDonn is spinning in his cubicle over the thought of 3♥ being a FSNJS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 where is he, the donner man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 where is he, the donner man? He was able to quit cold turkey when the forums software changed. More power to him, I find it impossible though lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I would bid 3♥ now. That shows ♠ fit or at least tolerance for me. I am asking myself "Should i spare this 3♥ bid by passed hand for the hands that somehow did not open 1 or 2 ♥ at these colors, has no ♠ fit or tolerance but can bid at 3 level and cross his fingers for nothing bad to happen, or should i spare it for fit showing bid, which by the way can be used in wide purpose and can be made with just 4 or even 3 card concentrated suits such as AQJx AKJ in case in opponents may decide to put some more pressure on us and too good to just bid 3♠ and has no space to cue etc etc. Of course a persistent poster can construct hands where the passed hand has no fit or tolerance but must bid at 3 level a new suit. But i will pay off for those hands if these hands somehow are not passable or can not be shown by a DBL. A simple 3♠ bid can be made with a wide variety of hands. Points can be anywhere or a little bit of everywhere. Pd is also under pressure and we are already at 3 level with no game trial space available, Why would i give up on my ability to give a better picture of my hand to partner for the sake of sparing it to the hands which had the chance before but didnt, and now wants to bid at 3 level and cant even pass or DBL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Based on the principle of "if you know what trumps are going to be, let your partner know too" I decided to bid 3 or 4 spades. Because I had a good 5 card side suit, I decided to just bid 4. Seems from the posters above that this is a tad on the aggressive side. Here's the whole hand. [hv=lin=pn|BunnyGo,LHO,CHO,RHO|st||md|4S237H25QKAD68C36J,S5TH3JD479TKAC48Q,S89JQKAH79TDC579T,|rh||ah|Board 118|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D|an|Ingen information tilgængelig|mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pg||pc|CK|pc|C3|pc|C4|pc|C7|pg||pc|CA|pc|C6|pc|C8|pc|C5|pg||pc|C2|pc|CJ|pc|CQ|pc|C9|pg||mc|10|]400|300|[/hv] Who knew it was partner with the short diamonds and me with the short clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 He was able to quit cold turkey when the forums software changed. More power to him, I find it impossible though lol. Get him back here. We liked his underbidding stubburness ahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I think 4♠ makes me tied for top. I don't know if the PHFSJS people reach 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I agree with all of Justin's posts on this thread, perhaps most of all with the 'sigh'. For those who claim 3♥ has to show spades, that is true only if there are never any hands with long hearts with which you wouldn't open and may now want to bid hearts naturally. I know there are players who think like that....but I don't think it is standard. We are NV vs VUL i have no clue on what hand you would pass first round and bid 3H now (rather than making a neg X) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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