Zelandakh Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 1NT will surely fail if they lead a diamond. If they lead a spade you're gin for +150.On Hand 4 your partner has 9hcp so presumably will Stayman and then settle for 3NT. This will not be a huge success when West leads their DJT9854 suit... I'm starting to suspect that he and Lurpoa are one and the same....he has a reputation in the 50's and I think 95% of his votes come from Lurpoa :P 95% of my votes come from Lurpoa too. Do you think I am also a clone? Forums have cliques, that is just the way of online communities. The voting system extends this cliquiness further and even incentivises it. It also puts new posters off who can see that they are unlikely to ever break into the senior echelons of a forum like BBF. Of course that probably suits some posters who would like to see (almost) only experts posting (quality over quantity) but I tend to be more inclusive by nature and it is my feeling that when BBF was created it was meant that way too. Let me just say a word about the 2 beleagered posters mentioned here. VM is obviously going through a stage of his bridge development where he wants to try things out. There is nothing wrong with this and I daresay he will grow out of it in due course. It is certainly not trolling. Yes I do understand the frustrations from senior posters here when they are saying what they know to be true and it falls on deaf ears. Just like having a difficult pupil that seems not to want to learn what is likely to be on an exam and instead fixates on a particular side issue in the syllabus. Sorry, but you either patiently work the student around or you give up on teaching them - what you cannot do is give them a smack. Comments like those from han and co in this thread are the forum equivalent of a smack. Lurpoa is someone who came on these forums as a beginner asking questions about 2/1. I know because I answered and I have kept the thank you reply in my profile. At that time the posting style was normal. A short while later something had changed. She was now proclaiming to be a BWS expert and posts were either stylised or broke the rules of netiquette such as one word posts and posts with longer fluff (symbols) than actual content. I do not know what happened in this time but suspect from the random down-votes that accompanied the change that it had something to do with the voting system. Personally I wold like to see the old Lurpoa back, either directly or under a new account name. I find it painful to see the "why?" posts and similarly unconstructive comments. It is clear that she has upset pretty much everyone here and that is difficult to come back from. But I also hope that if she did decide to become a constructive member of the community that the vast majority would support this. And to Lurpoa, hopefully you know by now that I am not against you; however I do think the time has come for you to show everyone here that the person who joined the forums is the real you and therefore to avoid posts with only a single word in them. It is ok to ask a poster why they have their opinion if this is not clear from other posts in a thread; but in that case please be specific about what you need to know as single word posts are irritating and apt to be misunderstood in an online environment. Whatever you decide to do I wish you well. OK, side discussion over. Apologies to anyone who thinks I have disrailed the thread. I will add another vote for 2C even though I think it is superfluous at this stage. I tend not to reply in "obvious" bidding threads but having seen the 9hcp hand and started to post I felt the rest probably needed saying too and this was not too bad a time for it to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 On Hand 4 your partner has 9hcp so presumably will Stayman and then settle for 3NT. This will not be a huge success when West leads their DJT9854 suit... I think you mean hand 3. How do you think I should respond to a Stayman inquiry? Certainly I have no intention of fessing up to a spade suit. I'd sooner bid hearts and play the 4-3 fit myself. If you think North's hand is worth a 3NT bid at matchpoints, I suggest you work on your hand evaluation again. Aceless, tenless 9 counts don't normally bid 3NT over 1NT on their own... unless your range for a 1NT overcall is 17-19 and if that's the case, I apologize. Personally I don't even think it has invitational values at MPs, although other people's opinions may differ. Even if that hand goes disasterously (debatable), one bad hand out of 10 at matchpoints isn't catastrophic. On the other hand, thank you for defending me against the charge of being a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Zel, I think it's obvious that VM tries to get a rise out of people and start some controversies by throwing out some strange views and defending them. This is the exact same thing kenrexford did when he started posting here (I don't know if he has ever admitted it on the forums), because he enjoyed it. I actually like ken now, but that's pretty much the exact definition of trolling. It does generate amusing conversations though. I was a VM fan when I thought he was just experimenting, but now I suspect him of doing the same thing as Ken used to do. Do I have proof? No, but I think you are wrong or naive to say that it is obvious that VM is just going through a phase. If that was not true, he would not always have a contrarian view, always speak authoritatively, always make inflammatory statements, etc. Ken is now a respected member of the forum and has knocked that off mostly, and he is undoubtedly an interesting thinker when he posts his weird but non trolling views, I'm sure the same can happen for VM. As usual, I disagree with the assumption that people who post inflammatory things consistently and are likely just trying to be a devils advocate/get a rise out of people do not deserve what they get. I thought ken deserved it, and he was a bridge expert. To expect there to be no very benign sarcastic comments like the ones han and mikeh have given to someone is unrealistic. Maybe if they were paid to teach VM, you would be right, but we are all posting on a discussion board and people who post authoritatively, are dismissive of any conventional wisdom or arguments that don't involve a simulation or flawed math, and despite being an inexperienced player assume that nobody knows anything other than themselves even when they are the only one who hold the view they hold, they are going to get some "smack." I also do not understand why you do not hold lurpoa accountable at all. I think this is a problem with the world, we are quick to blame the process, or the system, or others, for a change in someone or the negative reactions to their negative behavior. No one ever wants to hold the person involved accountable. Having a post downvoted is not a reason to become the biggest forum troll ever and outcast yourself. It is not a reason to begin to claim you are a BWS expert, a few months after saying you were just learning 2/1. I get that you are a genuinely nice guy and want the best for everyone, and don't like to feel that others have been victimized. But seriously, do you place any accountability on the people who receive the negative reactions? I mean, if you're going to say 1N is the right bid here and defend it to the death, after taking the contrarian solo view in every other thread you post in, you should expect to get some smack! If you downvote every single post in a thread and everyone who downvotes you after receiving a legit downvote, people will not respect that and will probably downvote you to hell! I truly believe Lurpoa will be given another chance if she begins to post positively and/or apologizes, that is one of the good things about life, people are quick to give second chances (or in my case 9th and 10th chances). But people who troll will be trolled, and I don't see that as a negative. And dude, the comment about lurpoa and vm was obviously a joke, lighten up! We all know you and lurpoa are really the same person, and vm is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 No way, Justin is lurpoa. Justin hated downvotes so much he decided to create an alter-ego and start a votewar against himself. Result: downvotes are gone. Way to go Justin! :P Note: he still hates upvotes, that's why lurpoa keeps upvoting random posts hoping to achieve similar results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farrnbach Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 2C describe your hand worst case p - 2d - p or p p X (normally negative) with clubs in lho :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Trolling is a part of the internet experience. Usually the "cure" is DONT FEED THE TROLLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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