mich-b Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 1.[hv=pc=n&n=skt97653hj86dktcj&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1dp1sd3s5c]133|200[/hv] 2.[hv=pc=n&n=skqjt9hq6da854ckt&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1s2h2s4h]133|200[/hv] 3.[hv=pc=n&n=sq974hkjt74dkqca5&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=2dp4cd4h5c]133|200|[/hv]2D = Multi (weak 2 in either major)<br>4C = please transfer to your major<br>4H = Spades 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Bid on. All of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 First one, 5♠ is IMO clear, even if there is a forcing pass avaible, ♦Kx is very offensive Second one its a clear pass, 4♠ might work (as a save more likelly than making), but its a bad bet IMO. Our defence is pretty bad, but we are still balanced. Third one: Partner will often have 1 club, but 2 is still possible. We have 4 tricks to care about (♠AK, ♥A, ♦A), and still ♥Q might be an issue. So if partner has ♠AK we make 5♠. But look to the hand, in that case we make 1♣+1♦+1♥ (maybe even 2 if we are making 5♠) +1♠ for a likelly +500. There is no need to risk going down here, just double and collect your tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 1) 5♠2) pass3) pass both 2 and 3 must be wrong because pass is never a solution to a bidding problem :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 6S pass 5S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 1. 5♠. May miss slam on a bad day, but partner doesn't need 3 Aces along with good diamonds to bid 3♠. 2. Pass seems normal. I have defence and no particular offense. 3. I would double. 5♠ requires playing partner for specific cards and players who make a career out of assuming partner has the 'magic' hand don't do very well. We haven't necessarily gone plus yet.....I am a bit nervous about the diamond suit, but I have too much to pass, I think, and not the right stuff to bid, so double is what is left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 5, 4, X. Are we just gonna let them play 4♥ just like that in n° 2? Isn't score important? We get 100 for n°2 playing rubber... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 1-5♠. Pass is not forcing here. 2- Pass 3- DBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Agree with all that mikeh said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Meh I dunno I kinda want to try for slam on hand one. If we bid 5D are we worried partner will bid slam too often when it's wrong? If we cuebid 5D a lot of the hands he's likely to value highly are good diamonds (he knows we have the filler) and aces. I don't think we should get to slam off 2 aces, if we had 2 keycards and the DK we would bid slam over 5H from partner most likely (maybe not?). I guess if he had a stiff club also he would overvalue that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I was commentating at the time so I know all four hands, but I think - It's virtually impossible to get the first one right. - That if respond to a multi with the 'please transfer to your suit' 4C, then you should play pass as forcing after intervention: 4C shows you are bidding game from strength. I don't know if this pair had that agreement, but I would pass in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I was commentating at the time so I know all four hands, but I think - It's virtually impossible to get the first one right. Guess we have to double 5C heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Agree with Fluffy, Mikeh and Han. My first thought when I saw hand #1 was to cue bid 5♦ as Justin suggests. But I just can't bring myself to do it. Partner needs more than just aces for there to be 12 tricks. As Mikeh said, we might miss a good slam occasionally by "just" bidding 5♠, but partner does not need 3 aces to bid 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I do not understand the statement "partner does not need 3 aces to bid 3S." This statement would make sense to me if we were discussing jumping to 6S. Including the DK as a keycard on this hand, for partner to jump to 6S with 2 of the 6 keycards having already shown a strong hand and still having last train available is tough to imagine. If he needs us to have 3 of those keycards, we will probably be bidding it over a 5H bid. Maybe this is not all 100 % clear, but hopefully it does make it obvious why the argument "partner does not need 3 aces to bid 3S" is a silly one in context of discussing whether or not to make a slam try. I think you were far more on point with "Partner needs more than just aces for there to be 12 tricks." This is true, the real question for deciding whether to slam try or not is if we are going to get to slam without 12 tricks too often after 5D, maybe we will, but I doubt we'll get to slam off 2 aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 double post meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 glad I am not the only one who hits the enter button too many times. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 glad I am not the only one who hits the enter button too many times. :angry: sry i am new to internet forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted August 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 For those who are interested how their choice would (or would not...) work here are the full hands :(Sorry, but I dont remember the spots exactly so they may slightly differ from the original). [hv=pc=n&s=saj94hq7daj9754c9&w=s7h642dq62ckqt654&n=skt86532hj53dktcj&e=sqhakt98d83ca8732&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1dp1sd3s5c]399|300[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=skqjt9hq6da752ckt&w=s6hakj732dq63cq75&n=s742h5dkj84cj9842&e=sa853ht984dt9ca63&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1s2h2s4h]399|300[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=sakjt62hq52d952c7&w=sha963dat643cq653&n=sq974hkjt84dkqca4&e=s853h7dj87ckjt982&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=p2dp4cd4h5c]399|300[/hv] Our actions were 5♠ (doubled for -200), pass (for -420 , other table making 4♠x) and Double for -750 (other table making 5♠).No, we didnt win the match.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 brutal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 On the third one, maybe South should remove the double of 5♣? He knows he's opposite some heart length, so his hand looks very good for declaring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 And the moral of the story: Don't play a multi. It would be a brave east to bid 5c after 2s x 4s at all red. I would not do it. I would have bid on the first one, but it feels a bit uncomfortable. I dont think pass is right on board two. I would actually ahve considered dble, which to me suggests you have decent values in a somewhat defensive hand, although it is not a true penalty double. Partner has a pull with this hand. I would have doubled 5C on the last one too. You would be laughing if partner had worse spades and a more defensive hand. No reason he cannot have Kxxxxx spades and a red suit ace, in which case you are laughing on a Kd lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 PS, on teh last one, even if you guessed to bid 5S, it looks like you ahve long hearts and the defense might guess for a lead of ace and another heart. If you posted it as a lead problem I am pretty sure more than a few posters would lead the heart ace imagining north to be (at least) 4-4 in the majors and south to be short in clubs. The ace of hearts has many ways to win. Its even easier if north bids 5S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 And the moral of the story: Don't play a multi. It would be a brave east to bid 5c after 2s x 4s at all red. I would not do it. I'd bid 5♣ in that auction (with xxx x Kxx KJ1098x). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 With 3 small spades and 6 good clubs and a stiff would anyone really pass 2S X 4S ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I would have doubled 5C on the last one too. You would be laughing if partner had worse spades and a more defensive hand. No reason he cannot have Kxxxxx spades and a red suit ace, in which case you are laughing on a Kd lead. Some people have strange ideas about what a vulnerable preempt is. Partner had a good spade suit, and not much else, rather than king sixth and an ace...what a shocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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