Tricky rebid?

[dcohio]

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We can bid 2♠ here, and if partner is interested he can bid 2NT to ask if we have 3 or 4 card raise and min/max.

 

Or, we can bid 2♥ (GF if partner does not bid 2NT)

 

This hand seems to be in between the two bids. It seems too weak to reverse, yet too strong for a single raise.

 

What would you pick and why?

 

If you bid 2♠, partner bids 4♠. Do you make a move over this?

 

If you bid 2♥, partner bids 2♠

[Quantumcat]

I would bid 2♥ first then spades at whatever level we're at, to show a 16+ HCP hand with 3-card support. It is worth this and more with its aces, its shape (considering partner's suit), and its solid diamond suit, and tens.

 

If you swapped the hearts and diamonds, I would rebid 2♦ then over partner's expected 2♥ preference, bid 2♠ to show the same 16+ with 3-card support.

 

If you swapped the spades and clubs, I wouldn't even reverse, I'd rebid 2♦.

 

For the second part, I would bid 4♣ over a natural and forcing 2♠ (are we playing blackout?).

[aguahombre]

 

Or, we can bid 2♥ (GF if partner does not bid 2NT)

 

This is the problem part with the reverse to 2H. An earlier thread discussed whether both 3C and 3D should be the weak version of the reverse, and here it would come to roost. 3S over 2NT would pattern the hand, but I am not strong enough to do that when partner denied 5 spades.

 

On this hand we know too much --- that pard will bid 2S over 2H --- so, if we really want to result, we could choose the jump raise to 3S over 1. Would never do that without 4 pieces at the table.

 

I am going low with 2S, and living with pard's 4S rebid. She didn't have to jump to 4 to make sure we get to game; anything else after my underbid of 2S would get me to come alive.

 

I would, of course, violate partnership if she bids 1-2-3 stop (and raise to four).

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

2H looks ok, you describe your shape, if p has a 5 card uit, you want to play 4S,

at least playing IMPs.

For me the hand is too strong for a 2S bid, take away a King or an Ace, maybe just

a Queen, and I would say, that 2S is perfect.

 

If I decided to bid 2S, I will pass over 4S, p did not show any interest in investigating

slam, I may have slightly more, that he can possibly dream of, but not much.

 

If p bids 2S over 2H, I raise to 3S, or make the 4C splinter bid, most likely 4C is weaker

than 3S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

2♠ is a serious underbid. 2♥ is just about par.

[farrnbach]

2♥ all your cards seem to be usefull to p, your ♦ are tricks, probably you will play 4♠

 

2♠ only if you are desperately fishing for a top in pairs (you assume nothind is making)

[Free]

Partner doesn't need much to make game, a reverse is probably the best. 2♠ is a huge underbid imo, and you may miss a superior 4-4♥ fit.

 

So 1♦-1♠-2♥-2♠-3♠ is the obvious start, partner will start cuebids (hopefully you play serious/frivolous 3NT for even better results) and eventually one of you can make a good decision for slam.

 

Note: I find it strange that 2♠ is GF, imo it's better to play 2♠ and 2NT as weak rebids.

[neilkaz]

I'd reverse here as this hand has lots of extras in support of ♠ and if you end up in 3NT lacking a major suit fit with PD stopping ♣ hopefully you can take 5♦ tricks if needed. After reversing, hopefully PD has a good hand and you cooperate with his slam moves.

[gwnn]

Not all that tricky. This is a full reverse once partner showed spade length.

[Flem72]

2 K-S ♥. Pard will call 2♠ w/5+, whereupon O raises to show precisely this hand (maybe a bit heavy). Pard's 2N is Ing/Leb/whatever-you-call-it, and O refuses the relay w/3♠; 3C is GF; etc. Way strong for 2S.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Enjoying Crested Butte, Colorado, USA

[MrAce]

I agree 2♠ is a huge underbid, while 2♥ is at worst slightly an overbid even for most conservative bidders. I'd go with 2♥. If i was forced to bid something else, i would prefer 3♠ with 3 cards to 2 ♠ with this hand.

[mike777]

2h ugg overbid

 

 

then prefer 3snf not 4c over 2s i have dead minimum

[Finch]

If I reverse, I would bid 3S over 2S from partner, showing a minimum 3451 which is what I have.

[mikeh]

Heck, even I reverse this hand, and I am amongst those whose reverses usually promise great strength if based on 4=5 shape.

 

I do need both 10's, and the Aces, and the great diamond suit....and this is a minimum. It may also represent an evolution in my thinking processes about reverses, spurred in part by the posts made, over the years, by those who have advocated lighter reverses than my former preference.

 

Interesting question: if 2N is lebensohl (or ingberman, which operates identically here), should one bid 3♣ or 3♠?

 

I differ from Frances on this one. I would bid 3♣ because, in the style I prefer, partner will pass 3♣ only with a weak 4=6, and opposite such a hand, 3♣ is probably the best spot for us...I will correct either of 3♦ or 3♥ to 3♠, and that, for me, spells a minimum 3=4=5=1. If I were to pull 2N to 3♠, overruling partner's request to bid 3♣ (unless I couldn't stand it) then that would, to me, show a maximum and would be forcing.

[JLOGIC]

Interesting question: if 2N is lebensohl (or ingberman, which operates identically here), should one bid 3♣ or 3♠?

 

Why is this interesting? Obv don't bid 3S.

 

I differ from Frances on this one.

 

I think you misread Frances? She said if partner rebid spades, she would raise them. Tough to disagree with that!

[JLOGIC]

Also why would you correct 2N-3C-3D to 3S? Partner doesn't have 5 spades, they bid 2N not 2S. I'd rather play 3D in a (hopefully) 5-3 fit than 3S in a 4-3 fit. Likewise, why correct 3H, partner has a weak 5-4 and I would rather play hearts.

[mikeh]

Also why would you correct 2N-3C-3D to 3S? Partner doesn't have 5 spades, they bid 2N not 2S. I'd rather play 3D in a (hopefully) 5-3 fit than 3S in a 4-3 fit. Likewise, why correct 3H, partner has a weak 5-4 and I would rather play hearts.

You are right, of course. Not the first time I have started to write at work, been interrupted, came back and lost all idea of what I had been meaning to say and don't bother re-engaging brain B-) Probably won't be the last either