Phil Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sak2hk932d43ckq54&w=sj654hjt65dt76c32&n=sq983h7dakQ5cjt76&e=st7haq84dj892ca98&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1d1h3nppp]399|300[/hv]♦ 1. ♥J, x, x, x2. ♥T,♦, x, x3. ♥x,♣,Q, K4. ♣K, x, x, A Declarer thinking hearts are 5-3 from the bidding and the lead now concedes -1. The opponents accept. When declarer sees hearts are 4-4, the director is called. -50 or +400? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 -1 (it's not impossible to lose 2 tricks from there) unless he said he was losing 2 hearts. bit lame of EW to enforce this in a speedball imo but such is life. edit: misunderstod the OP re how declarer spotted hearts were 4-4. if he spots it before they start the next board and before the end of the round, he's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sak2hk932d43ckq54&w=sj654hjt65dt76c32&n=sq983h7dakQ5cjt76&e=st7haq84dj892ca98&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1d1h3nppp&p=hjh7h4h2htd5h8h3h5c6hqhkckc2c7ca]480|360[/hv] Added the play to the diagram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 +400 I will legislate from the bench, if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 "the Director shall cancel a concession [...] if a player has conceded a trick that could not be lost by any normal* play of the remaining cards." * For the purposes of Laws 70 and 71, “normal” includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved. Well East really should be playing ♥A now. Is discarding a club or diamond from dummy now "careless or inferior"? Personally, I think it's downright bonkers. And with clubs 3-2 I can't see declarer accidentally losing another club trick later on, either. So +400 from me unless the players involved are at least 2 classes below me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 "the Director shall cancel a concession [...] if a player has conceded a trick that could not be lost by any normal* play of the remaining cards." * For the purposes of Laws 70 and 71, “normal” includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved. Well East really should be playing ♥A now. Is discarding a club or diamond from dummy now "careless or inferior"? Personally, I think it's downright bonkers. And with clubs 3-2 I can't see declarer accidentally losing another club trick later on, either. So +400 from me unless the players involved are at least 2 classes below me. Agreed, I can't quite see how this should not be changed to +400 unless S only noticed after the correction period is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 The director was immediately called once he saw the hand record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 +400. If I had been East or West I would have told declarer he was making +400 at the time. If play had continued East would have cashed the ♥A and declarer would have realised his mistake two cards later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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