Open in 4th?

[daveharty]

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EDIT: Matchpoints.

[Free]

I play 3m openings in 4th seat as 12-14 with a good 6+ card suit. This hand is worth a 3♣ opening imo.

[gwnn]

3♣ for me. This should be in range for most agreements.

 

I like the rule that I heard from dburn which says that you should always open in 4th because your 3rd hand opp would have opened if it was their hand, but of course I don't follow it blindly, in particular some RHO's would never even consider opening on the 1 level with less than 12 hcp's, even in 3rd seat.

[pooltuna]

The pass is riskier at IMPs as you may have a makeable 3NT

[daveharty]

The pass is riskier at IMPs as you may have a makeable 3NT

Yeah sorry, should've said it's matchpoints.

[ggwhiz]

I play 3m openings in 4th seat as 12-14 with a good 6+ card suit. This hand is worth a 3♣ opening imo.

 

Me too. I learned the rule of 15 as yada, yada OR if you are prepared to bid to the 3 level. I think that additional bit came from Marty Bergen.

[Phil]

Looks like a book 3♣ opener to me. I rate to make it opposite a random 9 count, and the right hand gives us 3N. By the way, I hope we play that a new suit by partner is a stopper, and not natural.

[MrAce]

I think it is obvious to open 3♣ at 4th seat if we decide to open. I would open 1♣ at 1st or 2nd seat.

[whereagles]

Depends. If you open 1st/2nd seat on trash, pass. Else it's a textbook 3♣ opening.

[daveharty]

I think it is obvious to open 3♣ at 4th seat if we decide to open. I would open 1♣ at 1st or 2nd seat.

Agreed, I think the second part of the question is pretty obvious. It looks like most people think the first part is pretty obvious too. :D

[mike777]

I will risk pass.

 

At this vul pard wont have ten highs and 4s unless 4333.

 

good problem cant wait to see the full deal.

[Siegmund]

I voted pass.

I play my 4th seat jumps heavier than a lot of forum posters do - I aim to be within 1 trick of my bid, usually - so for me this hand is between a half-trick and full trick shy of a 3C opening. If my long suit were anything else I'd open 2 of it.

 

3C is an understandable option.

[BunnyGo]

There's something too nice about this hand to pass. I have offensive potential, and I think I'm more likely to go plus than minus. If the opponents compete, then I have defensive tricks and partner is likely to have some spades/diamond controls for a trick or two (at least).

 

If we were red vs. white, then I'd definitely bid because I expect partner to have the best hand at the table. If we were white vs. red, then I might give more thought to passing as partner may not have as much for me.

[jdeegan]

:P 3♣ or pass depending on the table vibe and the state of our game. It is a close decision. Visualize 10 HCP hands opposite your holding, where pard can't have a weak 2♠ opener. Spades are likely 4-4-4-1 or 5-4-3-1 around the table. The issue is whether 3 ♣ will make or go down.

[JLOGIC]

Pass is horrible, how can we rate to go minus on the hand?

[daveharty]

The full hand:

 

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The openers are definitely right on this one. I doubt partner would bid the cold 3NT opposite 3C, but EW are certainly in line for a plus score.

 

I passed, a decision I now think is mildly irrational. At the table I was swayed by the spade shortage.

[mike777]

The full hand:

 

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The openers are definitely right on this one. I doubt partner would bid the cold 3NT opposite 3C, but EW are certainly in line for a plus score.

 

I passed, a decision I now think is mildly irrational. At the table I was swayed by the spade shortage.

 

 

Actually this is a matter of style...for me pard cannot pass andhold the west hand.....as I said before pard cannot have ten hcp and 4spades and pass at this vul.

 

I mean there is a reason to play the rule of 15 if pard cannot hold these hands and not to play that rule if pard will pass these hands :)

 

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actually I open the south hand also

[P_Marlowe]

If I open, I open 3C.

 

Most likely I would open.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[farrnbach]

on 4th seat, I pass, as I cannot really win, as p cannot have the hand he shows

 

If I MUST open the hand, I would open 3♣, but probably I exchange a "0" to a -50/100

[VM1973]

Well the West hand, while technically an opening bid, really is quite ugly. It would be much nicer if the ♥AQ were in spades. The South hand is definitely not an opening bid. I was one of the 3 people that voted for a 1♣ opener with East as I consider it to be too strong for a 3♣ opening. I had planned to rebid 3♣ over the (anticipated) 1♠ call but I was again wondering what I should do if partner responded 1♥ as you do have nice heart support, but partner might be just bidding up with line on ♥9xxx