diana_eva Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Fred has posted a system for this using a natural 2NT response and making 1H - 2S or 1S - 3C the GF raise. It is available on the downloadable client version (in the Bridge Library under the title "Improving 2/1 GF") but I am not sure if you can read it using the Flash version yet. It's on the BBI site, in the "Articles" section: http://bbi.bridgebase.com/articles/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Fred has posted a system for this using a natural 2NT response and making 1H - 2S or 1S - 3C the GF raise. It is available on the downloadable client version (in the Bridge Library under the title "Improving 2/1 GF") but I am not sure if you can read it using the Flash version yet. Prob'ly not the place to post this, but how in the world do I find the Lobby? SN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 The Lobby is simply the chat channel that you are put in by default before you join a club or tournament. The Library can be found (in the client version) by clicking "Other Bridge Activities" followed by "Bridge Library". The article mentioned above is then found by clicking "English", then "Articles" and finally paging down the list to "Improving 2/1 GF Part I" (also II and III). Diana's link above is probably simpler. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 This is interesting, but I guess the question still remains for those in the ACBL -- which is better, 1H - 2C = GF relay or 2/1 GF (since I assume that artificial bids are permitted in GF auctions). And better than 2/1GF? What do you think? (Personally, I prefer to dispense with all of this and just play weak-style 2/1; OK, mike777?) I think that one advantage of a strong NT is that you can open all 11-counts. My regular partner is becoming so convinced of the efficacy of this that I fear he is going to talk me into playing strong NT :( . If my partner is right, then 2/1 GF players are losing out badly due to the necessity of tightening up their openers. I don't understand this last remark. I open virtually all balanced 11-counts with a 5-card major (and most of those without). I play 2/1 GF. The two seem to co-exist perfectly happily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I don't understand this last remark. I open virtually all balanced 11-counts with a 5-card major (and most of those without). I play 2/1 GF. The two seem to co-exist perfectly happily. I am embarrassed to find out how old I am, sometimes: I started playing a Polish style club, specifically to be able to open all my 11s more comfortably in an 11-18 context than a 13-21 context, and was excited at the gains I got opening a lot of hands that the typical regional pairs player passed. But that wasn't the wave of the future in the US: just opening everything in sight and figuring itll all sort itself out later in the auction was :) A lot of 2/1 players open most of their 11 counts these days. And some of them like to respond on 4-counts, too. How happily they coexist depends how unhappy you are about the high frequency and low information content of 1M-1NTF. (People arriving from SA may be very unhappy indeed...people on their way toward a relayish system or happily embracing Gazzilli after 1NTF may be delighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 And using a 12-14 NT, how do you resolve: 1H-1S1NT= eleven OR 15-17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apjames Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 And using a 12-14 NT, how do you resolve: 1H-1S1NT= eleven OR 15-17? Play 1NT = 11-14 including any 5332, and play some system to find it if you like. One of the biggest advantages of a weakNT is that 1 of a suit is either 15+ or unbalanced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Well, "should discuss", dunno... if I play a 16 board pickup game I expect this type of sequence to come up 0.1 times. ♥ ♥ ♥ EXACTLY, my dear ♥,You can not expect that your partner expects that you expect that you have the same ideas about what is standard. That is why, we say, you must agree with your partner on this.... Believe us ! ♥ ♥ ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 How happily they coexist depends how unhappy you are about the high frequency and low information content of 1M-1NTF. Yes, there is something rather nauseating about bidding 1NT with 12 or 13 HCP and a decent suit; but if 2/1 is GF and partner is opening 11-counts, I have to have 14 pts to bid 2/1. I personally think that there are some good things about 2/1 GF, but I also think that forcing 1NT is too high a price to pay. And using a 12-14 NT, how do you resolve: 1H-1S1NT= eleven OR 15-17? This is unplayable, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I was taughtwk nt wins less than game dealswk nt loses game+ auctions. your experience may differ---- Inote Chip Martel does ok playing eastern sci. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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